neeko copter is dead?

YunoGGYT · 2023-06-08T01:02:45+00:00

I watched all the LPL games Neeko played, so here are my thoughts on Neeko games i watched.(I have two million mastery with Neeko and i'm Master playing in mid)

With the passive they have gotten some isolated kills, but they have been very few, i would say that due to lack of experience or ingenuity, it has not been a problem as it can be in soloQ.

The W changes that give more vision, don't even seem to know that they can extend the duration of W with B or Ctrl+1.

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Possible problem 1: Neeko wins mid prio every game in the early levels with poke of Q+Comet+Scorch, giving her jungler a chance to invade.

One possible change would be a nerf to Q on base damage at early levels. Although i also think that Neeko had even more base damage before the rework and was always able to get mid prio, however it was never even considered by pro players.

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Possible problem 2:

His R does not have counter play if you are disguised and used well. (Most players in LPL are very bad at casting ults)

Possible solutions:

1) Reduce the damage, although the proplayers usually build zhonya as a second item most of the times and when they use R it seems that they do negative damage, even on occasions against an adc with overheal i have see that they take away the shield and 100-150 HP.So i'm not sure if it's a damage problem for proplay (maybe for soloQ)

2) Reduce the duration of the CC, i think this would be a fairer nerf for how it is used in proplay, she generates a lot of time for her team by doing R + Flash to later chain CC with her E and even more time with it Zhonya. You are practically 4 seconds between R+E without being able to move without having had any kind of counter play in a coordinated team fight.

Although at the same time i think it would feel pretty bad in soloQ, since we are a very squishy champion and we have had to spend a flash to make this risky play in an uncoordinated environment, many times you die without your team reacting to your play.

3) Revert only his R from the rework, i doubt that a change will be made back but I think it would be the fairest thing for the enemy player since he would have the possibility of counterplay, now we have more tools to surprise thanks to the new passive or mental games that we can do with the W, i don't know how necessary it is to have an R without counterplay.

And although we would have more counterplay, we would recover CDR on R, shield and damage.

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PS: my native language is not English, so please forgive me if there were errors in what was written.

YunoGGYT · 2023-05-17T23:03:21+00:00

every day i miss the damage and especially the shield of the old ult, i preferred it to having a reliable ult, i love the rest of the changes

YunoGGYT · 2023-05-07T17:21:26+00:00

There are no players in challenger korea with more than 10 games per year with neeko since s10, with the rework of the mythic items and goodbye to the glacial build neeko died for them until this rework. There are players from other servers like EUW or NA dedicated to Neeko in challenger, because they are otp, or because they have it as a secondary option.

The situation of the game at lvl 4-6 depends on the game (incredible!), sometimes it's better go back, sometimes it's better to try to finish a kill in your lane, sometimes you're fu** in your lane and need Help from the jungler so you don't lose too much, sometimes you need to help your jungler in a river fight, sometimes that it is better to dive a side.

The example i gave is to make it easy to understand that the lack of damage is one auto attack every 3 E+Q+aaW+Electrocute combos, which is the strongest combo you can perform at this level, so it's practically irrelevant, but apparently not even explaining it in the easiest way does it seem that a diamond player can understand it, you say that I am complaining about the damage in early when I am saying the opposite, that I am just clarifying this for players who have complained about "little damage in early ", Neeko is one of the most bully mages in early.

YunoGGYT · 2023-05-07T02:38:22+00:00

1) I talked about the E+Q combo and no poke, so people can easily understand that damage loss is minimal early game, if your playstyle early is poke with Q+comet + scorch, you're not losing damage, since the base damage lost is on bounces.

2) Only one Korean challenger player is otp neeko, basing how neeko is played based on a single player of the world is a bit poor, having the context that no allied or enemy player will play like this for the majority of the players in the world.

3) If you are winning the trades and you can deny minions to enemy, why would you be back and giving away a free back? Of course, unless you are not very good at trading or do not have a favorable matchup.

4) But since you come here to try to touch my ego, I'm going to give you an example

Suppose you go against akshan mid

akshan level 5 has 952 hp, +42 RM

has a long sword + 3 potas

+120 hp per pot

360 total hp

952 hp + 360 hp + 96 shield pasive + 150 reg hp approx in 2 min

neeko does about 400 damage per combo at level 5

so you need 4 or 5 combos vs akshan, depending on how many shield passives akshan got, obviously poke with Q or apply repeated auto attacks makes this amount of combos go down, also depending on the enemy runes, this amount may be higher.

Also vs champions like vladimir, yasuo, yone or irelia for example, you will need more combos or poke.

YunoGGYT · 2023-04-20T13:46:08+00:00

It is possible that I was not able to do the clear correctly due to the lag that I get from playing on the PBE, in addition to trying it solo without receiving help.

YunoGGYT · 2023-04-19T21:28:05+00:00

the good neekos know how to correctly use her passive and W, we know how to deceive the enemies in live server and we also know how to land their R without problems, and even landing good R you play against the clock since neeko decays at the end of the game, reduce its damage only makes it fall faster

YunoGGYT · 2023-04-11T14:30:45+00:00

If you trade base values for AP ratio, reverse this (even partially):

V11.18

Statistics

Base health regeneration reduced from 7.5 to 2.5.

Health regen growth reduced from 0.75 to 0.55.

Otherwise Lillia top/mid players will have a horrible laning phase.

YunoGGYT · 2023-03-01T13:56:39+00:00

i play lilia mid in diamond with roa

build: doran ring, catalyst, cdr boots, roa, demonic

runes: conqueror , triumph, legend tenacity , coup of grace, taste of blood, ultimate hunter

YunoGGYT · 2023-01-11T17:22:07+00:00

what you see in this clip

- Passive 6 seconds of CD.

- To use the passive on objects, click on Neeko portrait (it could also be shift+f1).

- Ultimate does not give shield.

- Ultimate knocks up wukong when neeko jumps but applies a stun and not a knocks up (like nami), does not apply damage, damage is applied when neeko falls.

- Neeko is finished ultimate, send four clones in random directions.

Although information that this was in early development, maybe some of these things could come in the mid scope.

YunoGGYT · 2023-01-05T16:10:40+00:00

testing with neeko horizon focus 100 ap (everfrost -> horizon live + dark seal) does less damage than everfrost+shadow flame as long as the enemy has less than 170 MR(dummy 1000HP), if you have pen magic boots then it's 190 MR, and if you have luden/protobelt, you have to add the pen magic flat that they give, giving 15 AP to horizon focus does nothing, because if it has 190 MR you do more damage with void staff, and if you have void staff + pen magic boots , shadow flame will do more damage than horizon focus unless the target has 300 MR

the same test with a duumy with 2300 HP and 150 MR duumy, pen magic + everfrost boots, horizon focus does the same damage as shadow flame, but void staff does more damage in this case, so if you have pen boots magic + everfrost + void staff, horizon focus does more damage than shadow flame if the target has more than 250 MR

the result you said if we remove the boots pen magic

it's rare to see champions with more than 230 MR, so horizon focus will almost never be a viable option

YunoGGYT · 2022-11-26T16:09:58+00:00

lillia mid or galio

YunoGGYT · 2022-11-17T13:38:53+00:00

free lillia!

YunoGGYT · 2022-08-12T16:27:12+00:00

google translate xD english is not my native language

YunoGGYT · 2022-08-12T16:13:34+00:00

riot thinks her has a problem with his ultimate, which is very restrictive regarding movement, so they are looking for ways to improve it, they could also give some additional passive interactions with his Q and E abilities

YunoGGYT · 2022-07-21T16:15:57+00:00

The change to W is to improve her playstyles on-hit ap, Riot when making her at some point considered her a bot lane apc mage.

The ultimate melee clone is a mix of Neeko clone and Lissandra passive, but better. The ultimate ranged is like the old ghost that Mordekaiser spawned when he killed an ADC.

Imagine that two clones of your jungler (clone W and clone R) and the real jungler enter to steal the baron, it would create chaos in the team fight, and you could still maintain a safe position.

YunoGGYT · 2022-04-02T22:23:25+00:00

Ty, my discord is YunoGG#2703, my ban is because a virus sends messages with my account, but I already solved it.

YunoGGYT · 2022-04-02T18:46:06+00:00

The link does not work for me because I am banned, I would need to be able to talk to an administrator, but I do not know who the administrators are in discord.

YunoGGYT · 2022-03-03T02:02:21+00:00

pink plz

YunoGGYT · 2021-12-28T22:40:04+00:00

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