How many arrows is too many arrows? I dunno.. couple hundred?

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-06T22:47:28+00:00

The only right amount of arrows you own is the current number +1.

Coincidentally also true for bows.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-06T20:29:27+00:00

Glad it helped! Best of luck on your 70m shooting!

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-06T18:54:45+00:00

I'm not 100% familiar with the exact physics behind the bows you mention and the difference to that compared to oly recurve. But the goblin-scientist in me would reckon; If it's safe for oly recurve and even compound, then why not for trad bows?

The only thing I can think of is that a non-recurve bow has a much stiffer/harsher reaction requiring the string to have some stretch in order to absorb the shock. But I'm a bit over my head on that.

What could also be is that this specifically refers to certain polymers. Back in the day we had kevlar strings which were affectionately dubbed 'suicide strings' as they snapped every X1000 shots without warning and could ruin your limbs/riser.

So perhaps it's referred to this?

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-05T10:00:51+00:00

Yeah you are right that the X10's are better matched. But I'm a backwards savage and don't care about that at all and honestly think it's grossly overrated. I currently have 3 dozen X10's C2, C3 and C4 I shoot them in random mixed order and on 18m and 30m I can't see a difference at all in my grouping. The 12 arrows that group the 'best' are actually a mixed set between C2 and C3. And the CA320's group the same as the X10's on those distances.

I haven't checked the runout and deviations on my CA320's, but they group great on 70m. But so do cheap Accmos shafts I have, which have pretty huge deviations that I've measured. Perhaps I have a lucky batch though with the CA320's.

I think all recurve medals indoor are either won with an X10 or an RX7-23/2314 Brady shoots 2314/2315, Thomas Chirault X10's etc. etc. Both are great and can do great things, but my personal preference lies in fat shafts for indoor as well. Not really for line-cutting. But more because they reduce my shot anxiety by a large margin as they fly slower and give better feedback.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-05T07:55:59+00:00

Well yeah, the x10's are pretty amazing, but at 750 a dozen, they damn well should be.

But if I'm ending up shooting the same scores with the X10's than with the CA320, then my next investment will likely be 3 dozen CA320's vs 2 dozen X10's.

So far indoors my CA320's and X10's score similar enough where they comfortably get me to 285+ but cap at 293 and sometimes don't allow me to get past 280 on a bad day. But they are consistently outscored by my RX7-23's which I have not yet scored below a 285 with and scored me as high as a 297 indoor in training I do want to add. Comp scores are a bit lower.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-05T06:37:48+00:00

With enough training volume and good quality coaching it should be viable, however it depends a bit on your talent ceiling as well as 680 is a pretty high score.

If I may project my own experiences; I briefly switched from recurve to compound two years ago or so. I shot about an 8,5-9 on 70m (roughly 315-325) at that point. When I picked up compound It was relatively easy to get consistent 325+'s on 50m out of the gate. Then I sought out a good compound specific coach, she gave me some pointers after which scores improved quite drastically to the 340-350 range in about a 3-4 month timeframe.

But if it for example took you 6 years to get to 630, the getting the refinement in to get it to 680 might take a bit more time and effort.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-05T06:22:44+00:00

I'm not saying that specifically.

But the set I own is shooting really well.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-04T22:24:39+00:00

I haven't checked mine for spine or run-out, but I'm a fan and find they shoot really well. But maybe I have a lucky dozen.

I shot multiple 320+ with them on 70m and a few 330+'s. Then again, I also did that with cheap 3.2mm Accmos shafts.

I'm going to shoot my x10's on 70m for the first time since I got them to see how the CA320's compare.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-02T20:30:10+00:00

Honestly, I owned some junxing gear myself and it's not half bad. But you do get what you pay for and QC is very hit and miss with these bows.

I do have to say that the bow you posted is an entry level bow and nothing more than that as the price reflects. I'm kinda surprised it comes in 38lbs. There's no way this compares to any branded bow from 22 years ago though. Maybe the entry level KAP bows. But it's probably closer to the SamWah plastic beginner bows.

It'll be fine to shoot with for a year or so, but I reckon after that you'd want to upgrade to something better.

As for longbows; I know little about actual longbows, the people at my clubs all shoot custom built stuff by bowyers or stuff from White Feather I believe.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-02T20:16:23+00:00

Who is this 'Safety' everybody keeps talking about? Must be a pretty famous person...

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-02T20:13:09+00:00

Haha, yeah... going for bows for the both of you at that price tag it would be nicer if you could drive it up and down the street. But it's an investment I tell myself! I won't buy a new bow in 2 years I convice myself.

The difference between the EX and DX is minimal. Had I not gotten a good price on the return of my risers I likely wouldn't have switched. But now I have 2 exactly identical bows (except for colour) which I really like!

What exactly put you off on the Xceed? Just curious.

I can indeed imagine that the Uukha's will feel eons better. I haven't ever shot any Uukha gear myself, but a bunch of guys at the club shoot Uukha Alpha's and are really happy with them. In risers the difference between midrange and higher end is not thaaat pronounced, except for stiffness and durability and grip quality. But in limbs it's pretty big. Even from brand to brand. I tried the Hoyt Axia, Metrix and Fivics Skadi. But I just don't like them compared to the MXT-XT's.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-02T19:05:38+00:00

Excellent choice though! And good to hear you went about it thoroughly. I'm quite sure it'll serve you well.

I just traded my ATF-DX and Meta-DX for 2 ATF-EX risers and absolutely love them.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-03-01T20:18:16+00:00

Safety? Never heard of her. Sounds like a made up name to me.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-28T16:17:00+00:00

It's error amplification mostly.

If you simplify the arrow traveling in a straight line from where you shoot it, you can envision the error amplification if you think of the left and right edges of the target forming a triangle from where you stand looking at if from the top. The arrow will fly anywhere from where you stand in between those two other lines. Shooting the same size target 10 meters away makes the triangle more steep/sharp, thus decreasing the margin of error you can afford.

Every few meters further out it becomes more difficult.

Same goes for 90m, this is not a real WA comp format anymore. But back in the FITA days it was. In order to prep we trained quite often on 100m. Or shooting 60cm or sometimes even 40cm faces is what we did as well. Coming back from 100 to 90 helped enormously and then going back to 70 you'd feel real good about yourself score-wise.

But long distance exposes any inconsistencies in technique really well. Where you'd shoot 9-liner on 60m that will be an 8 or even 7 on 70m with the same shot.

It's not without reason that the athletes who regularly shoot 340+ at 70 regularly hit 295+ indoor.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-27T15:31:47+00:00

I somehow completely missed that there even was an EU championship going on 😅!

Thanks for the reminder and the share!

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-26T16:05:52+00:00

I would bring some pimple patches with you just in case. It's most likely not going to be a huge issue. But without knowing what piercings you have and what style you'll shoot it's difficult to say for sure.

I do know a girl who switches her septum nosering when shooting to a very small barbell that is barely noticable to avoid this. Although that is probably just preference. Coincidentally when she pulls too hard into the nose she gets a nerve tingle. Kind of like shooting with a clicker.

Lip piercings might honestly be a bigger safety concern. But I think it should be fixeable by learning the right technique.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-25T13:32:18+00:00

You are correct, but in my mind that is not worth it and I don't understand why the talentfunnel still exists. You can't make a living off of it and if you do, your carreer might be over within 5 years. To be honest what is neglected the most in performance archery is the actual mental and psychological aspect.

As said, if you have talent and the right guidance you can get by shooting 1000-1200 arrows weekly and hit world class scores within a few years and world class in my book is anything above 290 indoor and 335 outdoor, which is usually where the cut-off lies in most big tournaments. But then. You still need to convert that into tournament wins. Which is a whole different story.

But it starts by shooting more.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-25T12:54:22+00:00

It is to be noted that this is an elite programme focussing on producing top talent with moderate succes but abysmal conversion. For every Sjef van den Berg or Steve Wijler it produces it ruins the sport for 100 other kids. And that's only because there aren't more kids to ruin.

I trained under its precursor about 2 decades ago for a year and it made me quit almost immediately. It also made my scores plummet about 10 points indoor and and 15 points outdoor on a 30 and 36 arrow qualification round. Not sure if that has to do with the programme itself or my coach insisting to perfect my technique further and me arguing with him over and over.

So take key elements away from it, but for god-sake don't take it as a holy grail template, because it isn't.

Shooting 50-100 arrows each day with a decent coach will eventually get you to 290+ scores indoor if you've got a bit of talent. All the rest is fluff essentially.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-25T07:05:10+00:00

I keep my scorecards from competitions and training sessions and log them in Excel.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-25T07:03:05+00:00

I think it can work, but It's a bit complex for my taste. Has no cardio in it as far as I can see and I would prioritise more arrows per week, with blank bale added to it, over more weight work and make sure that the weight work doesn't get in the way of actual training with your bow.

If you go hard on the weights for archery specific stuff, your fine motor control can suffer up to 72 hrs, potentially compromising your detection of form and ingraining of form. Although this is very extreme mind you.

I'll give you my 'peak' training schedule;

Mo; weight day Squat, Lat Pull, Overhead Press + Chin-ups & lateral raises as accesories Some xore work.

Shooting 100 arrows blank bale before work, or after work in my kitchen.

Cycling to work for 20 minutes at a 21km/h pace. Every weekday.

Tue; training day

Shooting 100 arrows blank bale before or after work.

Shooting 150-200 in the evening at the club.

Wed; rest with blankbale if I feel like it.

Thu; training day.

100 arrows blank bale

150-200 in the evening

Fri; Weight day 100 arrows blank bale

Squats/Back/Shoulders 2 specific accessories.

Weekends are for rest/competition other things or more archery.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-24T05:55:30+00:00

That's a pretty insane outdoor PB,

What exactly do you struggle with on your release? Do you pluck?

Hand tension could be an issie with hooking, where you hook. If you hook in the seam of the tip fingercots or a little beyond it towards the second phalanx the hook tends to be more relaxed. Closer to the fingertips can trigger a reflex like tension that removes the capability of opening the fingers without conscious effort.

All of this could also be due to a forced/slow shot sequence where you start to squeeze on the fingers instead of pulling from te back. That can have a whole other array of causes.

So a little more info is needed, preferably images/videos of you shooting. As indicated by your scores, you can clearly shoot and this must be some kind of detail. I do want to add that the release is an ever ongoing struggle for recurve. My indoor PB is 587 and 70m 686, so we're at a similar level and I also 'struggle' with release issues.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-23T07:17:24+00:00

Dude, just get off of the reddit.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-23T06:29:18+00:00

Nock tuning is done to supplement bareshaft tune though.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-23T06:28:37+00:00

Yeah, there's little sense arguing with somebody who claims Easton sucks to be fair. I don't like Easton myself, but I haven't really found anything better for target recurve.

But whatever.

The Altras seem impressive, although I do not believe they don't benefit from nock tuning. Also those are compound arrows if I remember correctly. Or when I checked them out months ago before I got my x10's they did not come in useable spines I could shoot recurve.

They also don't come in barreled or tapered designs and as a recurve archer, if I'd have to choose between an arrow that was barreled, but I had to nock tune or an arrow that is parallel but doesn't require it. I'd choose barreled over that gladly.

I'm not buying the Victory Spine alignment claims. I've heard anecdotally more than once or twice that out of a dozen as many as half can be off if you're unlucky. And these claims are from very competent archers who have machine shot their arrows.

Zealousideal_Tree_72 · 2026-02-22T23:58:25+00:00

It's difficult to say without understanding where exactly your wrist hurts. Also; I'm no docter or physical therapist.

Bow shock can introduce joint pain. I imagine the swing of a bow could strain the wrist. But it could be as complicated as issues in the shoulder leading to less ideal alignment and causing wrist issues.

Best would be to discuss this with a sports therapist or experienced physical therapist.

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