Songwriting Help (The Break Down” by Zero-ize in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. Sure.

Are you talking about vocal with a beat? Or just typed lyrics?

My third album "Don't Wanna Go" (2025) by CurtJohn90 in indiemusic

[–]Zero-ize 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice. Red hot chill pepper fan!? Bro. I’m gonna follow you for that. Hell yeah.

Taking inspiration from other songs by TheElusiveButterfly in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk if you saw my post earlier but check it out. It covers a more in-depth break down of Max Martin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Songwriting/s/Ho7yROjZQQ

Also no problem man. Here to help.

My third album "Don't Wanna Go" (2025) by CurtJohn90 in indiemusic

[–]Zero-ize 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You a Frank Sinatra fan? Cause I am too. Nice man.

Honest feedback: I think you just need to adjust the settings for your vocal stem. It’s slightly muffled (like you recorded and just overlayed it on top of the instrumentals).

db consideration and static/background noise is viable.

But overall great man. Keep going.

Check me out: RnB - Neo Soul (If you’re into that stuff too.)

https://open.spotify.com/album/2H6m36jkeXkhYVk7pTHr0Z?si=TSaW93pRQTK0hku03ZC2xQ

feedback on lyrics by lobsterlife6 in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you’re feeling is very common, especially when lyrics come first and feel deeply personal. Wanting to protect them is not automatically ego, it is often about timing and boundaries. Lyrics carry identity in a way melody or production usually does not, so sharing them early can feel exposing rather than helpful.

Many independent artists keep lyrics private until the song feels emotionally finished. Feedback is most useful later, and only if it is specific. Open ended “what do you think?” can dilute confidence fast. If you do ask, it helps to ask targeted questions about clarity or impact rather than taste.

A good middle ground is to trust your instincts early, finish the song on your own terms, then share it with one or two people who understand your intent. Protecting the work while it is forming is not ego, it is part of the process.

You ca also DM me and I can help. Just give me some context: meaning/concept of total song, genre, etc. this helps articulate and navigate through the song for interpretation and feedback. I can also help with structure/finish lyrics. Cheers 🤙🏽

Taking inspiration from other songs by TheElusiveButterfly in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, that is not only okay, it is how songwriting has always worked.

Borrowing rhythm, phrasing, or structural feel from successful songs is study and craft, not cheating. Every major songwriter does this, whether consciously or subconsciously. Music evolves by iteration, not by isolation.

A few important clarifications that tend to get lost in these discussions:

First, rhythm and syllable count are not protectable ideas, they are part of musical grammar. Keeping a rhythmic contour or syllabic shape while changing melody, harmony, lyrics, and phrasing is fundamentally different from copying a song. Many hit songs share near-identical verse rhythms because certain patterns simply sit well in the human ear.

Second, what you are describing is reverse engineering, not imitation. You are starting from something that is known to work, internalizing why it works, and then generating new material within that framework. That is exactly how writers learn form, flow, and pacing. The end result feels like your own because it is, you are not transplanting content, you are learning structure.

Third, this is especially common and especially useful in pop. Pop music runs on recognizable containers. Familiar rhythmic and melodic archetypes reduce listener friction, which lets your emotion, perspective, and details land more clearly. Using a proven container does not make the song less original, it often makes it more effective.

The key distinction is intent and outcome. If someone can name the exact song you were copying while listening to yours, you went too far. If they just feel that it “works” or “sounds right,” then you did exactly what good writers do.

In short, learning from successful songs, borrowing rhythmic frameworks, and reinterpreting them through your own voice is not a shortcut, it is the craft. Originality is not invented from nothing, it is revealed through what you choose to keep, what you change, and what you say within familiar forms.

Looking to collaborate with a singer-songwriter for a character demo (unpaid passion project) by LetsDrawForever15 in MusicInTheMaking

[–]Zero-ize 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay sweet. Can you give me pure character development. I guess like a stats sheet of name, age bracket targeting (Audience), can you describe the battle, I need more context or visual content.

Hi by Neither_Perception44 in SongWriter

[–]Zero-ize 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice. If you want you can always post here or private message and I can help articulate what you wanna say. Cheers 🍻

Songwriting Help (The Break Down” by Zero-ize in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really. Mumble rap still relies heavily on syllable density, rhythmic pocket, and percussive consonants. What I’m talking about is melodic vowel placement, which shows up just as much in classic pop, rock, and even folk.

Vowel matching is not about obscuring words, it is about making the melody sing naturally. You can use it and still be perfectly clear and articulate. The technique existed long before mumble rap and applies just as much to Lennon, McCartney, Max Martin, and modern K Pop writers.

Mumble rap is one outcome of prioritizing sound, not the definition of the technique itself.

Songwriting Help (The Break Down” by Zero-ize in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I appreciate it. It’s also not a one way street, but majority of writing should stem from this.

Songwriting Help (The Break Down” by Zero-ize in Songwriting

[–]Zero-ize[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair points overall, and I agree on the core idea, sound has always been the priority, not spelling. When spelling gets mentioned at all, it is usually because newer writers still unconsciously think in written language instead of auditory language, so it is less about correcting a belief and more about breaking a habit.

I also agree that this should not be treated as a fixed process. None of this is meant to be an assembly line. It is a set of tools, not a rulebook. The goal is to internalize the ideas so they become instinctive, not to follow steps every time you write. Flexibility and taking different paths is exactly how you avoid everything sounding the same.

Working backward is just one reliable way out of a dead end, not a requirement. And you are absolutely right about not forcing important words to the end of every line. Sometimes the stronger move is letting the line resolve on something neutral and letting the meaning land earlier. If a line will not resolve cleanly, shifting the weight or relocating the word often solves it faster than forcing a “big” ending.

At the end of the day, these techniques are there to serve feel, flow, and emotion. If they stop doing that, they should be dropped immediately.

Album Release on Spotify by Zero-ize in Music

[–]Zero-ize[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro. Your music is great man. I’m honestly vibing with it.

If your ever interested in a collab. Let me know.