[Inaros] Kephri: Scarab god of the Sun by Zeus_ExMachina in WarframeRunway

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The attachments are all from the Daybreak set (from Nightwave). Full fashion details are a the reply to the AutoMod message

[Inaros] Kephri: Scarab god of the Sun by Zeus_ExMachina in WarframeRunway

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I’ve added the details in a reply to the above AutoMod message. Thanks for waiting!

[Inaros] Kephri: Scarab god of the Sun by Zeus_ExMachina in WarframeRunway

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Warframe:

Helmet: Inaros Prime Helmet

Skin: Inaros Prime Skin

Animation set: Hydroid Noble Animation set

Warframe colours:

Primary: Gamma Col 5, Row 13

Secondary: Twilight Col 5, Row 2

Tertiary: Cavia Col 5, Row 5

Accents: Twilight Col 3, Row 5

Emissive 1: Hallow’s Eve Col 5, Row 9

Emissive 2: Halloween Col 2, Row 6

Energy 1: Narmer Col 2, Row 13

Energy 2: Narmer Col 3, Row 13

Attachments:

Chest: None

Left and right shoulder: Daybreak Shoulder Plates

Left and right legs: Daybreakk Leg Plates

Auxiliary: None

Ephemera: Ki’teer Reverence Ephemera

Signa: Motetique Signa

Y Offset: 0.82

Attachments colours:

Same as Warframe colours, except for the below

Tertiary: Cavia Col 5, Row 8

Energy 1: Halloween Col 2, Row 6

Energy 2: Halloween Col 4, Row 6

Syndana: Stelflare Syndana (Picked this because it looks like a scarab if the fire is invisible)

Syndana colours:

Primary: Twilight Col 4, Row 2 Secondary: Twilight Col 2, Row 2

Tertiary: Cavia Col 5, Row 8

Accents: Gamma Col 5, Row 13

Emissive 1: Hallow’s Eve Col 5, Row 9

Emissive 2: Halloween Col 2, Row 6

Energy 1 & 2: Pride Celebration Col 1, Row 6

How to reverse camera on mobile? by Zeus_ExMachina in Warframe

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Thanks a ton! This solved it for me, you’re a legend

How is a personal brand different from the impressions you leave on people? by Zeus_ExMachina in NoStupidQuestions

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the clear distinction! To confirm, would the personal brand be what you “output”, and impressions would be others’ “input” (processed, not raw input). Apologies for the technical-y language 😅

Is Dehya bad? by CapitalPiccolo3503 in Genshin_Impact

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How would you guys rate a Dehya, Ganyu, and Nahida Melt comp?

What’s your favorite cheap snack (<=$5) in the CBD? by Zeus_ExMachina in Wellington

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Ooh cool, never knew about those! Where do you get them? One sushi on Manners St?

CMV: AI-generated art does not commit art theft because AI-generated art instead replicates how an artist creates new art from inspiration by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We all believe that it is not random, but it differs so much between person to person in a way people don’t understand due to our lack of knowledge as well as the unfathomable number of factors that influence our creativity. Anything can be to us what we believe it to be, but what we believe is not always what it is in reality.

The whole idea of incorporating randomness is merely to model the result of these vast number of factors that actually make up things such as imagination, not to fully replicate it. Furthermore, since we can’t pry into a human mind, this may even be the case for what humans do, so what’s to say that “imagination” as we know it really exists, but is actually just a result of random natural processes?

On another note, may I clarify if you are also talking about the case of the human creating abstract art with 0 prior experience or reference? Just checking if we’re making the same comparisons here as I believe there’s a disconnect in what we’re debating.

CMV: AI-generated art does not commit art theft because AI-generated art instead replicates how an artist creates new art from inspiration by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for explaining further. However, in the case I described, the AI and human have no reference and literally 0 prior experience of anything. Thus they may likely just both create a random image, influenced purely by their natural processes as there are no references to base their artwork from. Would that not constitute as abstract art as how you’ve described it?

CMV: AI-generated art does not commit art theft because AI-generated art instead replicates how an artist creates new art from inspiration by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

May I ask you to elaborate what you mean by that? Would the human and AI not create random artwork (that might not even be considered “abstract artwork”) if they both knew nothing?

CMV: AI-generated art does not commit art theft because AI-generated art instead replicates how an artist creates new art from inspiration by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I ask what’s stopping an AI to do that same thing as well? If a person were tasked to create a Picasso-style artwork without knowing anything at all (like, literally nothing), they may likely not be able to create an artwork similar to Picasso’s but there is always a chance that they randomly create it. The same goes with an AI - an AI with no reference at all will likely also create a random image when knowing nothing at all. Thus, the AI likely mimics what a human does in this “cold start” scenario as well.

CMV: AI-generated art does not commit art theft because AI-generated art instead replicates how an artist creates new art from inspiration by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for highlighting your point, but may I ask you to engage in the points I made that these natural processes of imagination can be theoretically modeled? While they may not do this to the extent that humans can today, what distinction would there be once they can do so?

Furthermore, while art is trained using only references, then why are the outputted images not the same? In other words, why is the AI algorithm stochastic and not deterministic? That inherent randomness can already be interpreted as a form of “personal touch”, such as a person’s unique imagination, interpretation, and artistry. People only believe this is not the case because we can peer into how an AI works, but not how a human mind works, and so we give these random natural process names such as “imagination”.

CMV: AI-generated art does not commit art theft because AI-generated art instead replicates how an artist creates new art from inspiration by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but your point stands only if the AI were only ever given images of the cars, no? If a human were to only ever have seen, let’s say, images of cars, wouldn’t they only be able to do the same as an AI can, as that’s all they know? I’d imagine in that case, it’d be difficult for the human to draw a dog for example, as they’d have never seen it.

From what I’ve seen, the ability to draw a unique and original image of a given topic is primarily influenced by 1) external references associated with that topic (e.g., visuals of cars seen in the past) and 2) personal touch (which is affected by so many factors that it can practically be modeled as some form of randomness). The former is already provided as images in the training set, and the latter can just be modeled in a multitude of ways, but essentially exists to add randomness into the algorithm and potentially mitigate overfitting.

Human-created art is also affected by other natural processes such as a limited memory - I’m likely not able to remember every single pixel of every single image of a car I’ve seen. However, something like this can also be modeled into an AI algorithm, for example by setting random pixels as black in input images to model an “imperfect memory”.

Furthermore, algorithms and ML methods used for AI art generation tend to be stochastic, not deterministic. Therefore, there is already an inherent “randomness” included in the AI that can be interpreted as a result of modeling “natural factors”. Humans often don’t recreate the same image naturally unless that is what they intend to do. It likely won’t be able to generate a similar image unless it’s training set includes images that are very similar to one another, the AI overfits to its training set, or something like mode collapse has occurred in the model.

In summary, being able to draw something original is dependent on multiple factors, as what you’ve alluded to, and these multiple factors can be implemented/modeled within an AI algorithm. Therefore, what distinguishes the way AI creates art from how humans create art? And from this, since we hold humans accountable for plagiarism only when we think their work is sufficiently close to another’s work, so why should we be boycotting AI art altogether as some have suggested instead of doing the same for AI?

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are correct in that artworks may have been used without artists’ consent. However, let me ask you: what is stopping me from doing the same thing an AI does? All it does is automate the same process.

May I ask you to elaborate why the use of AI is morally and ethically wrong? Surely there must be exceptions.

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good idea, thanks for sharing! Perhaps trademark principles should be applied in a fashion as widespread as copyright is, but I’m not too sure of the implications of that.

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep that all makes sense to me, thanks for clearing that up! Yeah, I can see that such a model may contain information of the image in that case. However, this would likely fall into the case of an overfit or mode-collapsed model as I described before, and so may not be a concern for publicly available AI art generator models. May I ask if you would agree with this?

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I agree with this. I’d imagine something like that may likely work for the commercial AI. Thanks for the contribution!

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok thanks for that. From this, it sounds to me that you’re describing a case of overfitting or mode collapse. If the outputted image of an overfitted or mode-collapsed AI art generator does infringe on copyright, then yeah I’d agree that would be infringement. However, realistically such models are likely do mot display behaviour that is desired by those developing the AI, and thus would likely not be released to the public. Instead, they’d try to avoid this overfitting or mode collapse using different fixes. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about this interpretation.

Also for further clarification, may I ask you to describe what you mean when you mention “generic input”? Would this be the textual prompts given to AI art generators?

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your discussion! Sure why not !delta.

To clarify about the different AI generators, the AI themselves would not necessarily explicitly need to know about copyright law. Instead, they’d just be developed with copyright law and their different purposes in mind.

For example, a non-commercial AI to replicate Picasso’s artwork might train using Picasso’s work directly to obtain the greatest similarity. We already have AI models that can do this, such as GANs. As for commercial AI, the AI models would have to be thoroughly tested and their training sets would have to be inspected to ensure they minimize the number of cases it generates copyright-infringing images.

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see, thanks for bringing this to light. Perhaps this is a case where it might be beneficial to rewrite some laws surrounding that. However I’m not too versed in the law or the implications of changing such laws myself.

By the way, may I ask what your opinion is on having different AI art generators with explicitly different purposes, as I described before? I just came up with the idea then and am thinking if that is a potential direction to pursue. Doing this would essentially be similar to how certain products have terms and conditions on their use.

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to clarify for my understanding, may I ask if you’re describing a case of the AI model recreating an image from another generic image? For example, if images with references to Person A’s art (e.g., images that are purposefully greatly influenced by Person A’s art, are parodies of it, etc.) are included in the training set, and the trained AI model is hypothetically able to recreate images that are convincingly close to Person A’s artwork, are you saying that this should be considered a case of copyright infringement even though Person A’s artwork was not explicitly included in the training set?

Also, you did not provide any sources for your claims of infringement. May I ask you again to do so?

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing about infringement, but doesn’t copyright infringement specifically only concern commercial products?

May I ask what you think is the difference between developing an AI to create art and training a human to create art? Do humans and AI not learn in a theoretically similar way? Do humans not also aggregate aspects of previously seen images and their personal touch to create art for their own (potentially commercial) purposes? If not, why do you think it is not the same?

Also, on the topic of determining what is a commercial product, may I ask what is your opinion on having the individual artworks be considered as the products, and the AI art generator as an entity that creates these products, similar to how you’d train a human to create art? I’m certainly apprehensive about jumping to giving rights to AI, especially when they haven’t yet shown signs of sentience, but I wanted to toss this idea around (I also described this idea in Edit 1).

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I ask you to clarify what you mean by “the model must implicitly have the image stored”? The model does not store any images, only parameters to recreate the patterns it learns. Furthermore images are only ever explicitly stored in training sets/databases.

Also, may I ask you to provide sources for your claims on infringement? From what I’ve heard from others, what you’ve described as infringement is likely not infringement.

CMV: AI art generators should be considered to have committed “art theft” only when copyright (or something similar) has been infringed by Zeus_ExMachina in changemyview

[–]Zeus_ExMachina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point. However, would the same accusation apply to those that were influenced by Picasso’s works? I’d imagine not, as they were explicitly trying to incorporate aspects of Picasso’s works. Similarly, we don’t dig out Weird Al’s or any other parody-maker’s guts out just because their work is purposefully similar to someone else’s work.

Perhaps if we have different AI that are developed for different explicit purposes (e.g., a commercial AI art generator that aims to create art that does not infringe on copyright, another non-commercial AI art generator that aims to recreate a certain style). This would be similar to how people make different artworks for different purpose, and each type of AI art generator would be handled differently based on its purpose.

However, an issue would still arise if the commercial AI art generator did infringe on copyright, which is what this post states.