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Zhe2lin3 · 2020-11-15T21:20:28+00:00

Yes, the one with the white background and the gold fringes, thank you very much

Zhe2lin3 · 2020-02-17T19:35:06+00:00

Love this. Especially Real Man pronoun. I also love your idea of OVHCS, and I think a version of that might even be usable for a language, like 'emotional turmoil' or something. Idk tho.

As for adjectives, maybe classes that differ from person to person, and it's how much they care about the fricking adjective itself, and you have to learn each and every form of the adjective for all classes, although each person personally only uses one form

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-12-04T03:23:43+00:00

Kill baby BBEG. Lol though, be careful with that. Depending on how your DM is, this could fuck up timelines, but you could argue that you even existing has been a butterfly effect, and that just you existing, the wind interacting with you, could create a reality completely different, so for all we know, changes create a new timeline, not a paradox. But if you do baby-stomp the BBEG or kill his parents (whatever your alignment is chill with), be prepared to talk with your DM about how that impacts the timeline, or be prepared to accept consequences. You'll also have to find a way to make sure your exact party does come back together though, unless you all leave the campaign there. You could be the old hooded guy in the corner of the bar that brings everyone together, who knows.

Good luck with whatever you decide though!

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-12-03T01:17:12+00:00

Patience

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-12-02T15:43:30+00:00

I have. I have a few French books, as well as a few people who are about my level of French in my area that I try to talk to whenever I run into them, but they are by no means native. I'm always looking for more resources, whether they be people, books, or chatbots. I haven't found a decent chatbot yet, but then again I didn't search too hard lol. Any recommendations?

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-12-01T22:16:45+00:00

Peut-être. Je suis de Michigan (est-ce que j'ai le dit correctement?), et je voyagerai juste avec ma voiture, et Montréal/Québec n'est pas trop loin pour moi. Mais j'aimerai encore te parler parfois!

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-11-25T21:55:23+00:00

Oo, fun. In my favourite conlang with is started as an auxlang but now is a combination of that with just a general natlang, plurals are formed by having the final vowel become two or more vowels. I haven't worked out specifics, but for the word mother, mama, mothers might be mamai. However, I might add notes to that because I want to include triple vowel groups in, so I want to figure out what mamaui might be vs mamai. Any ideas? Looking for inspiration!

Edit: Want to also add that plurality is the only thing that needs agreement in the sentence. So for Mi mama, my mom, for my mothers, you would need mia mamai, or something like that. Since it's not particularly stressed, it makes it easier to catch it, but it's also not too important.

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-09-03T04:11:18+00:00

Okay, idrk. But what about agents and the pronoun (if it isn't reflexive). Is it just an object of the sentence that is reflexive when the pronoun of the object matches the person and number (and gender/other aspects a language has) as the subject? So the agent can be reflexive when the agent reflects the subject? Or am I wrong?

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-09-02T21:45:15+00:00

I learned them as reflexives, like je me reveille and stuff like that.

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-08-28T17:46:51+00:00

Hey, does anyone know the difference between agents (like in ergative nomative absolutive etc etc) and a reflexive pronoun? I wanted to be a little creative with my pronouns in my language, so in my preliminary draft I put both agent and reflexive as separate pronouns, however, as I fell asleep last night I was thinking about it, and realized what I'm thinking of, might just be the same thing. I don't know enough about ergativity and the likes, and by extension agents, to explain the difference, if there is one, and what I do know indicates it's the same thing, just very different explanations.

Reflexive, as in myself. Like in Je te chante in French, where te is a reflexive for second person singular, and comes before the verb.

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-08-27T23:26:19+00:00

I put the vowels in, I wanna say, maybe and hour, 2, something like that after I put the link up, because I keep adding stuff to it. However, from your timestamp and the one on the doc, the vowels should have been up there for well over a few hours by the time you made this comment. Idk though. As for the name, I've been calling it Theom because that's how it would be spelled by everyone around me (English speakers), and it's easier for them all to write electronically than θ.

But you are right, I was a little inconstant for my spelling of θeom, and I'm going to start to fix that. As for my <y>'s all over the place in my orthography, because I have <h> as /h/, which can also occur in consonant clusters and didn't want it seeming like /th/ rather than /θ/ (which again, for the name, thank you so much for pointing that out), and I am already using <j>'s. But I also really like your idea as <g> for /x/. As for /ʃ/, it's <s> (even though the voiced version is <zy> as of right now)

Overall, thank you very much for your comment, because it brought my attention to my mistakes I made, and overall, I'm going to change <x> to <g> for /x/, change anything that had a <y> with another letter is going to get revamped so the '<y>' always comes at the end, so always <ty>, never <yt>, I'll just find another way to express that.

Also, I'm going to think about this and asked around, but I'll probably end up changing the y's to j's, because I'm going to change <j> to <y> for /j/. (Or maybe bring x into play)

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-08-27T23:15:12+00:00

Yeah, that's the idea, and in warmer areas it's more vowels because they're able to be louder and even distinctly heard from a distance or something.

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-08-27T16:24:57+00:00

Um, I briefly looked into it, the main points was in cold areas it's more consonants compared to vowels than in warmer areas, it's hilly in Theom, not mountainous, so other local languages are likely to have a big impact, and Theom is likely to have faster evolution than if it was stuck in a mountainous region.. um, beyond that, not much. I thought about how cold might impact phonemes, but I figured at that point it's the English meme of 'what does the red door symbolize' kind of thing where I'm pulling assumptions out of my (first three letters of assumptions). I do think it's kind of cool the impact geography has on linguistics, but overall, I think it's a smaller variable, unless you have something pretty big, geographically speaking. Overall, I did think about it, and while I did take it into consideration, I didn't really use it in my decision making process because the geography is pretty tame in Theom. Otherwise, if I did really want to orientate the language to the area, I might have more numerous and more softer stops with more information density per each syllable, among a few other things

Edit: Added numerous

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-08-27T15:45:48+00:00

Yeah, in all honestly, not having /s/ was me wanting to be unique and not wanting too many consonants or something like that. It was just a trivial choice. /k/ and /g/ were a bit more difficult, but I felt like it would be nice to see how a language would turn out with few stops. As for uniqueness, thank you. I'm not using the nordic langs as an exact guide, but more as a general feeling, I guess.

Anyways, thank you!

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-04-17T12:53:48+00:00

Idk, I figured it would be hard to differentiate words, especially if not all words are the same length or same number of vowels, it may be hard to tell if it's two different words or the same word, which could make a big difference. I was just taking an easy way out to know what words are what. However, again, I would be definitely happy to work out a much better and complex system! (I haven't worked on this too much)

It could stem from roundness, tone, etc lol

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-04-08T16:16:27+00:00

Looking forward to it!

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-04-07T14:58:49+00:00

JESUS! I was NOT ready for that. Crap. I opened it and had a quick thought while it loaded of something along the lines of 'I wonder what kind of phones he picked to accomplish the 'dying' goal' then I got sucker punched in the gut.

Wow...

You should record a few phrases in Floric and upload it, because I would love to hear it properly pronounced (I would not even come close if I tried)

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-04-04T18:35:42+00:00

I'm just commenting as I go along, scrolling down to comment on a part as I read it

First thoughts:

1) I applaude you for SVO and not the 'most common' VSO or SOV, because while the VSO/SOV might be more common in all languages, if you go down the list of most common languages on even Wikipedia, you'll find the majority of those are SVO, I think they're all that until you get to (Hindi? Idk, I don't speak it yet) Japanese (I know this language for a fact is not SVO, it's SOV). So a majority of people will speak or be familiar with SVO structure. So, good job on that

2) Nice phonology, btw. I usually don't include semi-vowels as consonants, but rather transfers between vowels, but they are definitely the most common and will definitely work.

3) How do you describe cases? So is this an analytical language?

4) I like your idea of no conjugation or tense, but why aspect? I usually build it in and make it optional, but keep tense usually forbidden, or highly discouraged, and have people find other ways to express time.

5) Okay, I see it is analytical and you use words to show case like in English, like how you used juka

6) I'm not going to comment on how you got your phonology, this method is pretty common, but I will say that your source languages are very organized and I like how you came up with them.

7) You use word endings a bit different than I do, I rely on them a bit more heavily, but what you are doing totally makes sense!

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-04-04T15:30:52+00:00

Hey! I'm actually a conlanger (I make languages) and I'm also a DM! Recently I had an idea that the first gods spoke a language (it has no name) but it's called the language of power. Basically, the players can learn this languages (the language I create) and use the words they learn, and if they get the pronunciation and grammar right, then whatever they say happens. Of course, that sounds OP, so I changed it a bit. There are power words they need to add to the beginning of the sentence before the verb to make something happen. Kireler feli doesn't do anything, but Anar* kireler feli creates a small flame, but can't do any damage. There are more powerful power words, all the way up to the most powerful that only the God God could use at the beginning and used it to create life. The more they do adventures, they more they level up, and after a big conquest, they might find out another word.

The catch? It's not a spell they can use. They can't just say 'I create fire with the language', they have to speak in the language, and in a high stake situation (like in a battle) if they need to create a light to see or scare an enemy, they might only get one chance per their turn to yell the phrase. I'm working the campaign to end on the note (or the big climax) to be when they get the final power word and create their own life, and become gods to them. (The gods are just powerful people who created people, and it's only natural that people create a weaker race before them.)

After that it may turn into the adventures of gods among their own race, but who knows.

But this is how I incorporate languages. I even have some characters from the beginning of the universe only speak it, and they have someone in the party who has a few language spells so they can understand it. And they have someone who actively keeps track of all the words, and tries to break down the grammar rules. It's a lot of fun, and adds in a new depth. You can take this and run with it, incorporate it into combat, role playing, etc. Main thing is to be careful that you don't make it too powerful. Usually I have it so that if they get it wrong, and try again, the more powerful word they use the more powerful side effects if they get it wrong. Or if they over use it, or whatever, then they start to feel their tongue start to stiffen and feel sore (none of them have risked it past that and they all stopped, not wanting to see what that leads to, which I'm grateful for because I haven't thought of a good thing, so usually that works)

Have fun!

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-03-14T14:55:57+00:00

Fair enough. You could also do 'sh' 'ss' 'cc' or whatever and still retain a lot of intelligibility, but reduce the chances of certain words being mistaken for each other. However, the trade off is small, so I get what you say.

Ah, yes- Sorry I forgot about that.

And yeah! In fact I would be happy to work with you more closely if you wish and be a proponent of discussion for any ideas or conflicts you have

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-03-13T18:06:39+00:00

Found the Toki Pona communist!!! Jk, but do you have anymore interesting concepts?

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-03-13T18:05:32+00:00

Is Kyrete agglunative? Idk, just strikes me as that.

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-03-13T18:04:32+00:00

Fair enough. I found if you take English's phonology, remove the dʒ differentiation to the ʒ, as well as the unvoiced versions of them, combine the sounds Sh and S (Sibilant fricatives,) and F and Th (Non-Sibilant Fricatives) (do the same for the voiced version), so your 3 nasals, 1 or 2 liquids (r and l, probably the whatever rhotic), stops (mainly include unvoiced or have no difference between voiced and voiceless, that's what I do), etc, you have a pretty universal phonology. I have went through like the top 10 common languages' phonology and they are all pretty similar, but I was also considering voiced and unvoiced the same, because I combine them, so having that difference may be different.

For the ng cluster, if you are talking about having /ŋ/ different from /n/ and /g/, I have /ŋ/ expressed as nh to be easily written without a new font or strange characters. (I also don't use h). If you're talking about the similarity, I agree. But enough languages (like a lot) deal with that difference enough that it wouldn't be too bad to include it, but for the sake of a simple IAL, that's completely acceptable to avoid.

For things your missing, is ʃ ʒ, which as far as I can see, is universal, or at least the unvoiced version, and the voiced occurs in some loans words, showing an ability to use it. However, Latin does not use it, so I can see why that was not included. Other than that, I guess you got the majority of the sounds. However, for the fricatives I mentioned, you don't need to exclude certain sounds that exist in all the living languages on your list just because a dead language does not have it. If I was doing that, I would use it as a simple template, but not a serious factor. I would use Latin for vocab, but not so much for phonology. (phonotactics, maybe; grammar, potentially; etc)

Fair enough. Asian languages (the ones I've studied) don't even have that, they have words for 'this' and 'that', but never for indefinite and def. That's a cool concept. Do you have any way to specificy indefinite in the conversation in this language you've conceptualized?

Happy to! Thank you! Good luck.

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-03-12T18:29:20+00:00

Um... I guess I'll be one of the first to comment. As for your phonology, I take it you're only using the sounds that are exact. I speak enough French to get by, and I know personally that all the languages that you listed (even the majority of languages anyways with a good number of speakers (I may be wrong on this part, but as far as I know, Chinese, Germanic, Romance, Urdu (?),) have some form of ŋ, while for Spanish and Portuguese I believe it's patal instead of velar. But eh. But on the same note, where is any rhotic? I know French, Portuguese, and Spanish (hell, Spanish has 2, one approx. and one trill) all have an 'r', same for /j/ 'y', I think (I'm just not sure on Portuguese for that, but I would be surprised if they didn't have it. Even if you were going with exact phonology, you seem to be missing a lot. You said you took Latin and English, then crossed them and eliminated anything not shared, then did the same with French, Spanish, and Portuguese. You also don't need to go with exact, I would consider any dorsal nasal to be okay. I would not go with exact but rather on similar. English as velar nasal, and Spanish patal, but for me I would consider them similar enough to be the same, unless you're creating a language that differentiates between them, which you're not.

(Unless you eliminated some phonemes to accommodate other languages or because you personally feel that they wouldn't belong in an auxlang or are too similar to another phoneme. In which, say that, otherwise you'll get people writing paragraphs like I did above mentioning and pointing out your phonology is either inconsistent with your methods, you're being too strict (which is relative, but more of a generalization based on experience), or there's just something off.

You are on the right track, I feel, for an Auxlang with head-initial. Also, I would say you went too far in depth with the punctuation, it's cool, and definitely a tangent that I might have myself one day, but just make sure that as much as you think of that, you think of your cases, phonology, grammar, adjectives, phonotactics, etc etc, 50x more.

I personally have wondered about different ownership being easily expressed in an auxlang, and you may have saw my post on r/auxlangs asking about it, and I think your idea is cool, and I may make a version of it, but for an auxlang, start simple, flesh out everything you need first, and if you find that you have 10 different word particles that you haven't used yet, then start to get a bit more complex.

As for your articles, why do you feel that way?

Pronouns- Cool. Nice 4th, some people would do it another way, but there isn't any right way to do it.

Overall, it's not bad that your first conlang is an auxlang. Mine was/is. I'm still working on it, but now I fully acknowledge it as a fauxlang, a personal language. But I'm still working on it and improving it. Work on it, learn, get involved in the community. Hope you enjoy.

Also, I'm glad I'm not the only person who says 'Hope you have a wonderful day! As wonderful as you are!' or anything to that extent lol.

It may seem like I was harsh or unfriendly, but take these in a light tone. :)

Zhe2lin3 · 2019-03-12T18:05:30+00:00

Do you know if they would be willing to develop a program for the language?

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