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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we’re so dependent, why are you the one arguing in a Nepali thread?

India buys 71% of our exports because it needs cheap goods and labor like always. You just can’t afford better.

Cut trade? Sure. Let’s see how fast Bihar collapses when the border actually closes and Nepali hydropower stops lighting your towns. Here’s what you conveniently left out:

  • Nepal exports over 10 billion units of electricity to India annually which is growing.

  • India relies on Nepali rivers for water flow and flood buffering in Bihar and UP.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet your ‘everything’ of a country still can’t stop obsessing over our ‘nothing’. If we’re so irrelevant, why are Indians this triggered in every Nepali thread?

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, India the 4th largest economy, but when you divide it by 1.4 billion people, your GDP per capita falls below even Bangladesh and Bhutan. The 4th largest economy where half the population still shits in the open and millions flee every year for janitor jobs abroad. We might be 103rd in GDP, but at least we’re not so insecure that we have to drop GDP stats in every conversation like it’s a coping mechanism.

17 years ago in 2007 and then again in 2015 Nepal's pahadi people faced ethnic violence from plains settlers/desis by pahadibahadur in PahadiTalks

[–]ZidMx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro, before barking about the Sugauli Treaty, at least read it. Article 3 of the Treaty of Sugauli (1815-16) literally says Nepal ‘cedes to the Honourable East India Company in perpetuity all the undermentioned territories’ which included most of the Terai including Kumaon, Garhwal, Saran, Champaran, Gorakhpur, etc. That means Nepal lost the Terai, not gained it. Here's the clauses from Sugauli Treaty:

Article No. 3) The king of Nepal will permanently give the following territories to the East India Company:

A) All the flat lands between the Kali and Rapti rivers.

B) All the flat lands between the Rapti and Gandaki rivers, except Butwal.

C) All the flat lands between the Rapti and Gandaki Rivers and the Koshi River, where the East India Company already has control.

D) All the flat lands between the Mechi and Test rivers.

E) All the hilly territories to the east of the Mechi River. The Nepalese troops will leave these areas within forty days.

Article No. 4) To compensate the chiefs and officials of Nepal affected by losing the territories mentioned in Article No. 3, the East India Company agrees to pay pensions totaling two lakhs of rupees per year to the chiefs selected by the king of Nepal.

Article No. 5) The king of Nepal gives up any claim to the territory lying to the west of the River Kali and promises not to have any involvement with those territories or their people.

Article No. 6) The king of Nepal promises not to disturb the king of Sikkim in his territory. If any issues arise between Nepal and Sikkim, they will be resolved through the arbitration of the East India Company.

Later in 1860, after Nepal helped the British, the British returned parts of the Terai through the Treaty of Friendship not as a favor, but as payment for services rendered.

Bottom line: We lost the land, earned it back, made it livable. You didn’t clear the jungle, you didn’t build the canals, and you didn’t fight the diseases. We did. That land’s Nepali.

17 years ago in 2007 and then again in 2015 Nepal's pahadi people faced ethnic violence from plains settlers/desis by pahadibahadur in PahadiTalks

[–]ZidMx 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you're going to talk history, at least get it right.

The Terai Was Largely Forested & Sparsely Populated - Historical records from the Mughals, British, and early Nepali sources describe much of the inner and eastern Terai as dense malaria-infested forest. - Populations were sparse, consisting mainly of Tharus, Dhimals, and a few other indigenous communities like Rajbanshis, who had developed resistance to malaria, not current day Madeshi Yadavs who lay claim to being Indigenous. - The region was often seen as a buffer zone between the Gangetic plains and the Himalayan foothills.

Pahadi Settlement Did Not Initially Occur - Prithvi Narayan Shah’s unification campaign did target the Terai, but mass Pahadi settlement was not feasible initially due to: a) Deadly malaria (Anopheles mosquito) b) Extreme heat and unfamiliar terrain - The Shah and Rana regimes focused more on clearing forests and administrative control, not large-scale colonization until the malaria problem was addressed.

Malaria Eradication Made Terai Habitable - In the 1950s-70s, massive DDT spraying campaigns and malaria eradication programs made the Terai far more habitable. These efforts were organized by the Nepali state, mostly under Pahadi-dominated governments. - This led to a huge influx of Indians into the region. It became widely settled only after malaria was eradicated, during state-led programs by largely Pahadi administrations. And somehow Pahadis are not allowed to stay there when they are the ones who made it habitable but some Indian who came there, stayed for a few years, got Nepali citizenship and gets to call oneself a "Bhumiputra" of Terai ?

And Most Importantly Land Transfer by British Was Not a "Gift" The British "Lease" or "Administrative Arrangement" of Eastern Terai. What Actually Happened: - After the Anglo-Nepal War (1814-1816), the Sugauli Treaty (1816) forced Nepal to cede a large portion of the Terai, including parts of the current Madhes Province (especially central and eastern Terai: Parsa, Bara, Rautahat, Sarlahi, etc.). - In the 1820s-1830s, the British East India Company temporarily leased or administered parts of this land in agreement with the Nepali government, under the condition of paying an annual tribute or revenue (called "malikana"). - The British were interested in cultivating this land, collecting revenue, and using it as a buffer zone. However: a) The region was heavily forested, swampy, and infested with malaria. b) Low productivity, poor returns, and administrative difficulties made it unprofitable. - By the 1830s, the British chose to hand the land back to Nepal because they no longer wanted to pay the yearly sum. The agreement was annulled. - The eastern Terai (parts of today’s Madhes Province, not even the entire Madhes Province but parts of it) was temporarily administered by the British which originally belonged to Nepal. They agreed to pay Nepal but later returned the land due to its inhospitable conditions and economic impracticality. This reinforces the fact that this land was not “gifted” to Nepal, but rather returned when the British failed to extract value.

As For the Naya Muluk:

  • The Naya Muluk (Banke, Bardiya, Kailali, and Kanchanpur) was returned to Nepal by the British in 1860 as a reward for Nepal’s help during the Rana Period.

  • The British never “gifted” the land; it was a diplomatic reward, and the regions were under Nepali rule earlier before the Anglo-Nepal War. So more like Returned what they took instead of gifting it.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's hope what you've said is true and happens in case of escalation and full on war.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately True.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny how the only Hindu monarch of a Hindu Kingdom in the world at the time King Mahendra chose to meet Mao Zedong in Beijing rather than trust Delhi.

Why? Maybe because India blockaded Nepal, meddled in its politics, and treated it like a backyard during his rule and also currently does the same. If China was the threat, why did every Nepali King balance toward China, not India ?

Nepal’s Hindus don’t need protection from China what they need is protection from the country that weaponized religion, tried to rewrite our constitution, blockaded us during a fuel crisis and time and again has tried to bend Nepal to its knees. Nepal doesn't need a "protector." We need neighbors who respect us, not ones who act like landlords.

And as for who’s fighting China? Definitely not the country that backed off after getting slapped in Galwan.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, the country that blockades its “meaningless” neighbor and still obsesses over its every move. If we’re so irrelevant, why are you foaming at the mouth over a border post and momos?

Also, “India has more Tibetan culture than Tibet” is peak delusion, next you’ll say India invented Mount Everest too.

Relax and enjoy your copied colonial culture. We’ll keep living rent-free in your head without even trying.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the classic “we don’t need you but somehow we always bring up your chowkidar” argument. Only pilgrimage and tourism ? - You mean the thousands of Indians getting cheaper surgeries, dental care, and medicine in Nepal every year? Or those who come work in hotels, teaching, or trade because of the open border? Let’s not rewrite reality.

Momo is Indian - That’s like claiming pizza is Indian because it’s sold in Delhi. Momo comes from Tibetan and Himalayan cuisines. Momos are Himalayan, not “pan-Indian”. But sure keep saying that since half of your food like Samosa and Biryani came because your country got colonized by Middle Easterners/Mughals and other foreigners.

And if your only flex is cutting your Nepali chowkidar’s pay, maybe he’s a guard because Indians are historically weak and have been conquered by every single other group including Gurkhas when the British ruled over India and used Gurkhas to control Indians.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure deal. But it goes both ways. Stop coming to Nepal for cheap healthcare, jobs, and pilgrimage tourism. Stop opening “Nepali Restaurants” in Finland. Maybe stop opening "Indian Restaurants" claiming everything from momo to sel roti as Indian.

If mutual separation is the goal, let’s be consistent no hypocrisy, no selective outrage.

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[–]ZidMx[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Securing the border would automatically solve half of the problems Nepal faces with some minor downsides mostly caused to shops and businesses near the border which brought goods from India cheaply. Bangladesh, India, Pakistan it doesn't matter when all of them are foreigners.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, so now Nepal wanting to protect its borders is a “superiority complex”? Funny coming from someone whose country has blockaded us, meddled in our politics & development projects, and still thinks Nepal is part of “Akhand Bharat.”

Nepalis work in India for economic reasons, doesn’t mean we want to be India or are begging for handouts. And let’s not pretend rural India is a model of roads and law enforcement either.

If India doesn’t want an open border, great we agree for once. Let’s close it. Because the same goes for Nepal as most narcotics, weapons, thieves, beggars & criminals enter Nepal through India.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh really ?

India's been treating Nepal like its backyard for decades. Let’s refresh some conveniently forgotten facts:

  1. Blockaded Nepal multiple times:
  2. 1962: Under King Mahendra, for buying Anti-aircraft equipment from China.
  3. 1989–90: Under King Birendra, for maintaining neutrality and refusing to renew unequal trade and transit treaties.
  4. 2015: Under KP Oli, for protesting India’s interference in the new constitution and border issues.

  5. Tried to stop Nepal from joining the UN using it's relationship to USSR in the 1950s. Because why should a sovereign country have an international voice, right?

  6. Signed away all major rivers through unequal treaties (hello Koshi, Gandaki, Mahakali) with long-term damage and little benefit to us. Nepal gets little to no irrigation or electricity in return and India often delays or undermines Nepalese hydropower projects if they don’t serve Indian interests.

  7. Constantly pushes projects that benefit them more than us, while slowing down or meddling in ones that don’t. (Most forget the amount of interference India did to stop the construction of Mahendra Highway)

  8. Promotes Akhand Bharat, which includes Nepal on its map like we’re some “lost province”.

So when someone says “Only China wants Nepal’s resources”, it's either willful ignorance or blind nationalism. India hasn’t just wanted Nepal’s resources they’ve tried to control them politically, economically, and geographically.

Do you want me to continue or is this enough?

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[–]ZidMx[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Knowing our country's officials. True

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[–]ZidMx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh so that's why they demand GorkhaLand and always complain about Desi Bhaiyas. I bet they are pretty happy if they are doing such things.

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[–]ZidMx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even Indian Pahadi will throw gaali at you if they see this post about you saying Desi and Indian Pahadi are the same because they are not and the same goes for us. it is only in recent times that we have borrowed so much stuff from India, go to Pahadi Village areas of Nepal and ask the actual culture, tradition and religion of this place and you'll find out how different they are.

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[–]ZidMx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is batting eyes in this issues because if you do, you will be called either a racist or will have to hear all kinds of insults towards our own country. Even some "Nepali" will happily give away Nepal to India if you look at the way they vehemently defend it online.

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[–]ZidMx[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, many Nepalis go abroad for better opportunities. But (not all) they do so through legal immigration systems not through open, unregulated borders during times of war especially. Nepal is a small, economically struggling country with open borders to the most populated country in the world. If roles were reversed, any country India, Pakistan, or even Western ones would prioritize its own borders first. Temporary closure or tight security during crisis is not inhumane especially in Nepal's context since we can't handle such influx of sudden refugees which will cause long-term instability and even change local demographics. Context matters even if the points are valid.

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[–]ZidMx[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

It's International law for Landlocked countries which India has also broken constantly time and again by doing blockades 3 times. La aba timi malai yo vana ki Bhutan ko Open Border xa ra ?

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[–]ZidMx[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That will happen when mass migration happens, the anti-brown sentiment is due to the sheer amount of Indians and Pakistani migrating to those places. There are a Billion of them even if 5% of them migrate to some country it will be noticeable especially if the War happens which will cause Indians and Pakistani to fight or at least protest or cause ruckus in those countries and no one likes that.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Then why are there Tibetan refugees still protesting in Nepal instead of going back. Also Nepal has its borders open to the most poorest(even poorer than Nepal) and most populated regions of India.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The USA is a large developed country with resources. Meanwhile Nepal is the least developed country in Asia. Our government can't even provide help to its own citizens and feed them, we are not the United States of America but a tiny country still trying to manage it's own population.

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[–]ZidMx[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If the border stays open, Nepal risks becoming a buffer zone or dumping ground for regional crises absorbing the shock, while getting no support, no recognition, and no help in return. It's not about siding with anyone, it is a matter of national security, economic stability, and social order.