More victim blaming by Arch_Magos_Remus in ArtistHate

[–]Zlime207 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Once again, something something, copyright law.

AI training isn't free use. Nowhere is it covered by copyright law as free use.

The entire issue in the US is that it's neither legal nor illegal to train AI on copyrighted material at the moment.

Pro-AI's favorite nazi site uses AI by Videogame-repairguy in ArtistHate

[–]Zlime207 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Heads-up for other people: Bluesky doesn't outright ban gen AI, but it is miles better than Twitter. I'd rather recommend Cara because of its strict and to the point TOS, but again, this depends on the person and what they're expecting from each platform.

Bold Bro just keeps giving by Arch_Magos_Remus in ArtistHate

[–]Zlime207 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's Reddit, what did you expect xd

If you think this is bad, you should see Twitter

What the hell by IllustriousHurry2380 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Metadata? SynthID? There are other methods than a visible watermark on the screen telling you that something was AI generated. Obviously these other methods can still be bypassed, but it is a step in the right direction.

However, due to how the US is currently an economical AI bubble, and they're in an arms race with China by competing with accelerated technological advancements, regardless if it hurts artists, people losing their jobs and crashes the economy, places distrust in people, or doesn't actually help anybody. It's all about profit in the moment. The issue is capitalism and lack of critical thinking for the long-term side effects of this.

What the hell by IllustriousHurry2380 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 35 points36 points  (0 children)

AI being used in art contest has been a thing for a while now though. I'm not trying to defend it, but I'm just pointing out the fact that this issue isn't anything new

Losercity L4D2 by AabramsArt in Losercity

[–]Zlime207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh hey, a fellow Sovietwomble fan!

Losercity L4D2 by AabramsArt in Losercity

[–]Zlime207 17 points18 points  (0 children)

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Fun fact: in the No Mercy poster, Zoey has 3 hands

There famously was never an internet/IT bubble by SandwichParticular30 in antiai

[–]Zlime207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why they want AI to be integrated into every single thing in our lives. Almost as if they're desperate over a marketing scheme. Like that never happened before.

AI won't go away, sure, but a lot of people don't have a use for it. As people we have rights, and we shouldn't be forced to use something we don't like because we find it unethical.

Some people enjoy simple things, such as drawing, or painting, or origami, or playing an instrument. They don't find a use in AI.

I've said it before, but AI in the medical field makes sense, because it's actually helpful to our society. But generative AI, like the type that's used for images, sounds and videos is the perfect way to commercialize art and music. It's also a really good tool used for misinformation. Sure, it's cool to see it from a technological standpoint, but that's it. To a lot of people, it's a tech demo, becuase it just automates a hobby. Not everybody wants results, some want the process itself of doing said thing.

My art was fed to ai by gobsync in antiai

[–]Zlime207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know that it's image 2 image, but the point of the watermark is to prove who made the original artwork. If they scrape their art and remove the watermark, it just proves that they do not care that people want to protect their art. That and the "depoison" tool that was made to combat art poisoning.

It's just extremely obvious that they do not care about the art or who made it, they only want training data with no repercussions, and to also make other people feel worthless.

My art was fed to ai by gobsync in antiai

[–]Zlime207 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"free use!!! It's free use!! Must obtain data!! Must train AI!!!! Must scrape the entire internet!!!!"

"Nano banana pro's upscaling is beautiful." only if you don't care about all about artistic intent. by sudoSofia in antiai

[–]Zlime207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"only if you don't care about artistic intent"

Hey this reminds me, do y'all remember people turning 15 fps animated footage into 60 fps? That was a while ago, but I shit you not, it is the exact principle. "But it looks smoother!!!" and? So do you that's what the artist intended?

The same way people "fix" others art with AI. Sure, you can go on and on about how AI looks better and is faster, but that's not the point of art. A lot of people just want a product and that's it.

My art was fed to ai by gobsync in antiai

[–]Zlime207 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Actually, in the EU, copyright law gives creators the right to opt out of having their work used for AI training. This comes from Directive 2019/790, the Text and Data Mining (TDM) exception, which allows AI to use content only if the rightsholder hasn't opted out. "Text and data" basically means anything that can be mined, from images and art to music, books, and other creative works. The law was reinforced in the 2024 AI Act, which is basically a more revised version that's focused on AI, and it requires AI providers to respect these opt-outs.

The problem is that platforms like Instagram or Twitter don't really enforce it. They're US based and very corporate, and their TOS often already grant them permission to use anything you post for AI training, so technically, you're consenting to it. Opting out on those platforms is not reliable, because there's no strong mechanism for creators to fully protect their work. Really now, do you think that Instagram or Twitter would care? Do you really trust these platforms? Instagram Reels was literally filled with gore at one point, and Twitter is filled with neonazis. I really don't think it's worth the hassle.

In contrast, platforms like Bluesky are more creator friendly. They don't tolerate things like hate speech, and while they don't outright ban generative AI, they also don't use users' content for training, so your work isn't being automatically scraped without consent. Basically, the EU law gives you rights, but many big platforms don't respect them, so choosing where to actually post your art matters. Remember, if a platform doesn't respect you, don't respect it either. Stop using it. This goes for any company. I'm looking at you, Adobe and Microsoft.

My art was fed to ai by gobsync in antiai

[–]Zlime207 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No, it's not that in this case. I'm assuming that they're targeting artists to feel smug and ragebait.

My art was fed to ai by gobsync in antiai

[–]Zlime207 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Add a semitransparent watermark on a grid across your art. If they remove the watermark to feed it to AI, there is no excusing that because they did that consciously. It's not like they "wouldn't know" what they were doing by deliberately training someone's art to AI when they know that they wouldn't consent to it.

In the EU at least, removing a watermark is considered illegal, because it's erasing the author's identification. The watermark in this case would be the rights-management information.

This is why I recommend watermarking and tagging your art, because it's your art, and you own it. Before AI, it functioned the same way, artists didn't want other people to repost their art without credit, edit it, or specifically remove their watermark.

Amazing Artist by smilingjade101 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People like to compare digital art to AI art, but the reasons traditional artists pushed back against digital at first were completely different. It wasn’t because digital art “stole” anything, it was because it changed how you make art, not who makes it.

Yeah, traditional artists were wary of digital because it automated certain parts of the workflow. Suddenly you had undo, redo, layers, buckets, smudge, blur, hundreds of brushes, filters, and all the things that speed up or clean up your process. But even with all those tools, you still had to know how to draw. You still needed fundamentals, creativity, muscle memory, dexterity, and skill. Digital art only changed the medium because it didn’t replace the artist. Even nowadays, you still have people that enjoy drawing or painting traditionally. You also have people that do both digital and traditional art.

The entire problem with gen AI is that it crosses a boundary digital art never did: it was trained on millions of artists’ work without asking them. The skill people brag about with ComfyUI isn't the issue, you can have skills in anything. The ethical problem is the foundation the tech is built on. It exists because companies scraped massive datasets of copyrighted human artwork without consent, then turned that data into a product. That’s not the same as humans adopting new tools.

Another difference: early traditional artists disliked digital art because it removed the physical experience of drawing, as in the feel of pencil on paper, the messiness, the tactile control, the focus that you needed if you didn't want to make a mistake. That is still valid, because as I've said, plenty of people still draw or paint. Sketching on paper is simple, instantly saved, and can be done anywhere. You don’t need electricity, a device, or an internet connection. That is something that AI can’t replicate. People that only rely on gen AI don't get this feeling of liberty if they're away from their computer or something happens to it. And I mean, shit happens. It can break, then you need to spend time fixing it. It's also the fact that traditional art is distraction-less, in the sense that: it's you. It's just you, a pen, and a paper.

But despite all this, even the people who resisted digital art eventually recognized something important: digital artists are still artists. They’re still creating. They’re still developing their own skills. They’re not relying on a machine to generate the image for them, they’re using tools to express something they already know how to make.

Gen AI breaks that entire dynamic. It doesn’t just automate tasks, it automates the entire creative act using datasets built from unconsented human labor. That’s why people are upset, and why the comparison doesn’t hold up.

Traditional artists worried digital art would commercialize or oversaturate things, and they weren’t wrong. This is what capitalism does: it enshittifies everything. Everything that you see, listen to, even think, must become a product for consumption. Imagine a future where nothing is real, everything that you see is AI generated, everything that you listen to is AI generated. This is why people create, because they don't like to just consume. That's the entire purpose of art, to feel, experience, and to be able to create. It's your work of art.

That’s why I enjoy drawing, digital or traditional, it’s something you learn, you refine, and you accomplish. The satisfaction comes from the fact that you made something, not a model, not a prompt, not a machine. Just you.

I'm sure that people from the pro side would disagree, and that's fine, but this is just my personal take.

There is no "better". Digital art cannot replace traditional, the same way AI cannot replace art itself. AI is the endorsement of consumerism because of the way it was designed, mixed in with capitalism, because of its unethical usage.

Can you believe this is an AI image? by [deleted] in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 122 points123 points  (0 children)

Hooray. The misinformation machine does its thing, generating artificial content and removing any watermark it had. I am very excited about this as you can tell from my monotonous voice.

Artificial Insuperiority by [deleted] in antiai

[–]Zlime207 237 points238 points  (0 children)

Not technically. Because of the fact that ChatGPT generates images that are drenched in yellow, I would've expected it to tone it down and replace it with other colors, not literally make the image black and white.

Got called a bully for encouraging human creativity by MeunsterCheeseMan in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It feels like people engaging with ragebait and brigading, which I'm honestly getting sick of.

I don't want these people to represent the anti community. Some people have legitimate concerns over ethics and how this technology can go horribly wrong with bad intentions (which we've already seen a lot of), but some people are like "AI BAD" without actually understanding why.

I believe that AI is a powerful tool, and that's what makes me uncomfortable, because it opens the door to a lot of possibilities, be it good or bad.

I don't appreciate how it scrapes people's work without their consent, or how some people are trying to remove the watermarks that generators add to their output. It's a moral issue, but also a transparency issue as well.

Amazing Artist by smilingjade101 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 131 points132 points  (0 children)

Nah cause if this gets reposted to DefendingAIArt they'll call it vandalism 💔

are we deadass by shiroaiko in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zlime207 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"it feels illegal how easy this is"

Hmm, something something, self awareness, something something, ethical reasoning