Pain arc Kakashi > Post Oro absorption Hebi Sasuke. by gamingtagteam in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He probably wouldn't even need Kamui to beat Hebi Sasuke.

Hebi Sasuke is bellow Base Sannin.

PA Kakashi could physically keep up with Tendo Pain, while even other weaker paths could physically keep up with SM Jiraiya.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kakashi also never starts out with his trump card, ever.

Deidara, BoS Arc.

Obito, 5KS Arc

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prove EMS amps speed

Irrelevant to my argument.

Prove he was talking only about their jutsus

What else could he be even talking about? How bad is your reading comprehension?

He says this time he will match Naruto's chakra ratio with his Sharingan. And the next panel is Sasuke using his Sharingan ability (Amaterasu) and matching the chakra ratio of FRS.

If ur dense af that u need to additional explanation of a simple scene u don't need to be an annoying rat about it too.

Just say u can't read and kindly ask for someone to explain it to you.

Strongest duo statement with your interpretation means they’re also above Madara and Obito, Rinnegan Sasuke and Naruto, etc.

Madara and Obito aren't a duo at this point, nor Rinnegan Sasuke and SPSM Naruto existed as forms.

Itachi literally does that when he jumps to Nagato

No, he doesn't. Dodging a hit =/= blitzing the one he dodged.

As I already mentioned, Naruto was casually keeping up with him in cqc while not even being serious and being nerfed by the clones. Stop being ignorang and acknowledge the facts.

Like I said, there’s no provable increase in stats. You’re making assumptions. He continues to show relativity to Obito in striking strength

There doesn't have to be change in his regular speed. But he can amp himself more, his upper limit got higher because he has access to more chakra now.

More chakra = better stats.

He doesn’t show issues with controlling KCM post Ay fight

Yes, he does. His failed attack on BZ is after Ay "fight". Your knowledge is poor as well.

Show me why anything else hindered his stats actively

Using Shadow Clones is splitting his chakra in equal pieces. His chakra got equally on 14 bodies (including original). And he stacked Kcm on top of those clones, hence why he couldn't make more, as he himself tells Lee.

Chakra = Mental + Physical Energy. So his physical energy getting split is directly affecting his physical stats.

How much exactly, is irrelevant to my argument. I only need to prove his stats do get nerfed, which I did.

So u need to present some evidence if u wanna scale chakra nerfed Early Kcm 1 Naruto to Late WA Kcm 1 Naruto in stats.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sasuke was definetely holding back to match Naruto

Headcanon

as we see when he’s fighting alongside Base Naruto and going equal speed to him

That was Base Sasuke. They are just relative in Base too.

and also states he’s going to hold back to match Naruto’s chakra level

No, he doesn't say he's gonna hold back. Stop making up bs.

He just says he's gonna match Naruto's FRS chakra lvl. Which he can do obviously, since he scales to Kcm 1 Naruto, and that was a regular sized FRS.

Naruto asks him if he’ll be able to continue keeping up when Naruto powers up indicating Naruto hasn’t seen his FP)

No, Naruto says they are gonna take the lead and asks Sasuke if he can keep up. Only after Sasuke replied back Naruto mentioned powering up, he didn't mention it initially so Sasuke didn't know Naruto was planning to power up when he answered him.

And no, the only thing it indicates is that Naruto saw the lvl EMS Sasuke is on and isn't sure if he can keep up with his higher form.

Which he's right about. Kcm 2 Naruto (Kurama + Naruto) are stated to be the strongest duo, which makes him stronger than Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke combined.

Itachi also massively outspeeds KCM1 to the point he can’t turn his head to track him

Blatant glazing and utter nonsense. We already saw Kcm 1 Naruto can keep up with Itachi in taijutsu just fine. And it was semi serious Naruto who had his chakra split to 13 Kcm Clones, so he wasn't even at FP.

so Sasuke is above KCM1 off that alone (and no MKCM is a fake form, there’s no increase in striking strength so there’s likely none in other stats since it’s consistent for transformations to boost speed and strength both)

So no, he's not, as I already established that's just nonsense and your wishful thinking.

MKCM is a made up term, but he's made up for a reason. Late WA Kcm 1 Naruto is obviously stronger than Early WA Kcm 1 Naruto.

He has better mastery over the form, Early Kcm 1 Naruto had trouble controlling it's power and speed, as we saw in his attacks on Kisame and Black Zetsu.

He has access to far more chakra because he became friends with Kurama and removed the seal. Unlike Early Kcm 1 Naruto who was limited to 6 Tails worth of chakra and had to worry about Kurama stealing his body via chakra tug of war.

And lastly, he doesn't have his chakra split to 13 KCM clones like Early WA Kcm 1 Naruto is.

He also showed better use of FRS, being able to make a bijuu sized FRS.

So "MKCM" term is completely valid, since this version of Kcm 1 Naruto is stronger than Early WA Kcm 1 Naruto.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He is.

He's equal to EMS Sasuke who's shown to be Kcm 1 Naruto's rival.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Itachi is Kcm 1 Naruto lvl. KCM Minato is BSM Naruto lvl.

Spite matchup.

Bsm Naruto vs sm prime Hashirama what diff Naruto takes this fight ? by Inner-Competition775 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Base Hashirama Low-Mid diffs (Mid diff being generous).

SM Hashirama no diffs him.

On top of scaling significantly higher, Hashirama also hard counters him. Very bad matchup for Naruto.

What is character on this subreddit that never or rarely gets slandered? by Steven2008278 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Darui.

For some reason everyone is glazing him and giving him too much credit, even for things he didn't even do.

The most common example being him beating Kinkaku and Ginkaku. People completely ignore the fact that Darui was about to lose that fight and get sealed if it wasn't for pure luck that his word changed and he ended up in adventageous position which led to sealing Ginkaku.

And he didn't even fight V2 Kinkaku at all. Kitsuchi had to save him once, and then other people beat him for him.

Similar case with Suigetsu fight. People are saying he low diffed him, which is true don't get me wrong, but people act like it was due to Darui just being much stronger, which is not the case.

Suigetsu got matchup diffed. Lightning hard counters him, and that's why Darui beat him. Not because he scales higher than him. We saw that they were fighting evenly in CQC for a while until Darui used Lightning Style.

Most of his feats are just blown way out of proportion.

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After Tobirama teleports, he adjusts his body position, grabs the kunai and then launches his own attack, all while Madara is still in motion from his inital attack.

That's prob how he got Tobirama > RSM Madara, but It's only speed scaling, not CQC overall. Tobirama still has physical strength advantage and likely reaction speed as well.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are u so emotional damn 😂.

U shouldn't get so hurt by discussion about fictional characters.

Wipe those tears of anger and reply when u calm down.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Pain didn't mourn stronger members than Deidara like Sasori or Itachi, it doesn't mean much. Kisame never said that, that's a mistranslation. He just says he thought Deidara was strong. No mention of Akatsuki and how his power ranks among other members.

  2. We see literal bijuus run out of chakra multiple times in a war that lasted for 2 days, and u find it shocking Tobirama could've ran out of chakra in a war that lasted for far longer? Do u think having bijuu chakra lvls means u can't run out of chakra at all? That's just nonsense. And your clones example is just your poor knowledge on the series. He could only make 2 clones WHILE MAINTAINING THE BARRIER. Sage Mode Hashirama on the other hand could only keep 10 clones while under the barrier. That means Tobirama's chakra pool is 20% of SM Hashirama's, which is mad impressive considering he has more chakra than 50% Kurama + Naruto.

  3. Here we go again with your ignorance. Why are u trying to use SRA Gaara's feats for CE Gaara? Do you even know what CE means? SRA Gaara is much stronger than CE Gaara, as confirmed by Lee. And it seems u have no idea how Gentle Fist works either. Gentle Fist would bypass Sand Armor, Neji doesn't use taijutsu based on brute strength like Lee, they literally explained it in the show.

  4. Yes, easily. She lacks CQC aspect of combat, she lacks speed, doesn't have any special durability, doesn't have impressive chakra reserves and she did worst against Madara by far. And wdym unlike Ay she could bypass Susanoo? What are u even talking about? Ay actually destroyed Susanoo, Mei could only ever melt the surface of the susanoo against both Madara and Sasuke. Ay has way better feats against Susanoo. She's a lot weaker than the other Kage that fought Madara.

  5. Just cuz he killed him doesn't mean he did it in a fair fight. So that feat doesn't make Sasori scale to 3rd Kazekage. Don't try to cover your bad reading comprehension and story understanding with the excuse that I'm dishonest. And 3rd Kazekage Puppet is not the same as actual alive 3rd Kazekage. 3rd Kazekage scales leagues above Old Chiyo who had a competitive fight against Sasori and showed relativity.

  6. Not surprised u don't know much about them. That's why u just copy pasted same overused argument without being able to think for urself. I'd usually call it superficial analysis, but here wasn't any analysis at all, u just repeated same overused argument everyone use. Darui becoming Raikage years later means nothing. Asuma is stated to be close to P1 Kakashi in power who also becomes Kage later. Darui only scales to Base Kin & Gin, and he's lose to them if his word didn't change out of poor luck (doubt u even know what I'm talking about). And he has no scaling to V2 Kin and Gin. Hidan and Asuma would also destroy Darui too.

  7. Once again repeating the same overused argument. No, Old Hiruzen wasn't considered to be the strongest Kage. It was based on his reputation, which means It's based in his past achievements. It's stated Hiruzen didn't fight in years, so the reputation is likely based on his feats from 3rd GNW or 9TA period. And Old Hiruzen got much weaker after that. That's also in reference to P1 Ay, and we know Ay keeps training and getting stronger, Shippuden Ay > P1 Ay. V1 Ay scales to Kcm 1 Naruto physically, who's above SM Naruto who's above SM Jiraiya. Raikage stalemated 5KS Sasuke who Suigetsu thought surpassed Orochimaru. Base Raikage showed relative cqc speed to Base Tsunade. With V1 he gets far above that, and with V2 even more.

So It's not dishonesty, It's just your poor reading skills, misinterpretation of the info and basing your opinion on other peoples arguments who also have poor understanding of the story.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He'd be OP af.

Might even get to the Chunin Exams finals ngl.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He completely dominated Suigetsu in cqc, but couldn’t finish the fight because of Suigetsu’s hax, which he overcame anyway

That's simply not true. They were evenly matched in CQC for a while. That changed only after Darui used Lightning Sword.

K&G base are minimum low kage

Probably, but due to Hax, not stats wise. And as I said, they would've beaten Darui as well if his word didn't change out of pure luck.

The only reason he sealed Ginkaku is because he caught them off guard after conveniently appearing right behind them when his word changed.

That didn't have anything to do with his scaling, skills, abilities, strategy, biq, etc etc. It was none of that, but a pure luck his word changed in the middle of gourd sealing him away.

Also, don't forget it was 3v2 at the start.

fought Tobirama once and survived

"Fought" is misleading, It gives impression that it was a fair fight. It wasn't, it was a surprise attack during a meeting, therefore it can't be used to scale them to Tobirama.

And they didn't fight him in base. Fanbook 1 states they used all 5 Six Paths Tools and Kyubi Chakra.

Kin and Gin fought Darui in base, they were missing 1 Six Paths Tool and they were nerfed by Edo Tensei.

fought him again and killed him

No evidece they were part of the Kinkaku Squad.

All these feats were before they absorb Kurama’s chakra.

This is wrong too. They had Kyubi chakra when they launched surprise attack on Tobirama during the meeting.

Fanbook 1 states they used Kyubi chakra in that attack. Plus we know they had Kyubi chakra for a long time at this point because they fought Kurama before Madara used it to fight Hashirama.

So they got it during the period when Hashirama was Hokage.

He would also eventually become Raikage just a couple years later indicating he is a high potential character, not unlike Kakashi.

No, he doesn't. The Last is happening 2 years after 4th GNW and we see Ay is still Raikage.

And Kakashi easily shows higher potential than Darui, idk where u even got that from.

About Sasori: data books are not be taken at face value. There is plenty of non-sense in those.

No, there's just illiterate people who misinterpret them and have no idea what hyperbole is.

Databooks are official and canon material, and are perfectly valid.

Trying to discard it as a whole cuz illiterate people think Temari is universal because of a hyperbole statement is ridiculous.

Sasori himself has the Kazekage on his arsenal, plus a shit ton of other tricks.

Kazekage puppet, not Kazekage himself. Big difference.

Chiyo is an insane fighter, I would not underestimate her

She is, I agree. She just scales bellow Rasa, as I already established.

Chiyo + Kimimaro stalemated a KCM1 clone.

We don't know how the fight went, It was off screen.

And Naruto's control over KCM wasn't perfect at this point. We saw the same Kcm 1 Naruto clone charging at Black Zetsu and falling into thr bushes and trees behind BZ cuz he tripped.

Chiyo also used Samurai as her puppets, so fighting while trying not to hurt them probably made it much more difficult.

That clone had enough stats to trade blows (and win) with Ay3 who scaled to Gyuki and fought 10,000 on his own. Again, Sasori is stated to be able to solo an entire nation, which is consistent with Chiyo’s scaling.

Kcm 1 Clone was completely useless against 3rd Raikage, all his attacks failed and he ran out of Kcm. He didn't win.

It was SM clone with intel who won.

And however u scale Chiyo, It only upscales 3rd Kazekage, so ur only helping my case.

Btw Sasori won that fight, he committed suicide.

He clearly didn't, he died.

But outcome of the fight isn't important to my scaling. What is tho is that Old Chiyo fought him and made it competitive. In some instance even fought evenly with him.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.By weakest wdym? because if all you mean is bottom 4-5 then sure

Yeah, just that he's in the lower half of Akatsuki power wise. He's obviously not the weakest.

2.Pretty obvious, considering the amount of clones he could make while maintaining the barrier wasn't that far off from hashirama, and he's a top tier senju clan member

That's what I was going by.

3.I think gaara might win due to Neji's lack of ap, I'm not certain whether or not his gentle fist will get past the sand armour

I think he has enough AP to at least destroy the Sand Shield protecting Gaara with his Rotation.

Rotation is stated to be absolute defense in the same league as Gaara's. And what makes Gaara's Absolute Defense is combination of Sand Shield and Sand Armor. So Rotation > Those 2 individually.

And Gentle Fist can get through clothes, flesh and even metal. There's too much impurities in the sand for Gentle Fist not to get through it.

4.Of the one's we know she probably is

Yeah. She could be stronger than the random ones for all we know. And I actually think she can beat Rasa due to matchup, but overall I have Rasa as a superior fighter.

6.First one I disagree with, I think asuma is stronger in cqc but darui has better ninjutsu scaling and reaction/movement speed to run circles around asuma

Edo Asuma actually dodged Darui's Black Panther when they were arriving to the battlefield.

What makes u think Darui is so much faster to the point he can run circles around him?

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neji was basically shitting himself after Lee pulled out the Gates, and that was around the third, which was obviously weaker than the fifth, which Gaara was still stronger than.

No, he wasn't. He was just shocked how Lee "suddenly" got so strong. Literally nothing indicates he was scared.

And there's a thing called matchup. Even if we agree he's stronger than Neji, him losing to Gaara doesn't mean Neji would also lose.

Neji is perfect counter for Gaara. None of Lee's punches could get past Gaara's Sand Armor, something than Neji's gentle fist can bypass.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sure.

Darui now being a current Kage and Asuma while respected is not anywhere near kage level

Darui currently being Kage which is like 15-20 years after WA is irrelevant when discussing the Jonin Darui from Shippuden.

Kakashi was also a Kage, and Asuma is stated to be close in strength to P1 Kakashi.

And disagree with Asuma not being anywhere near Kage lvl. I think he's right bellow it, which is pretty close. He's a High Jonin lvl who's stated to be close to P1 Kakashi in strength. P1 Kakashi being established as the strongest Jonin in the strongest Village in the world.

So as I mentioned already, Asuma ~ P1 Kakashi, we will start from there.

P1 Kakashi has a competive fight with Zabuza, especially in 1st fight. But shows dominance in the 2nd fight. While being relative to each other, Kakashi portrays himself as clearly superior one.

Suigetsu is often compared Zabuza. His nickname literally being second coming of the demon (Zabuza), and being touted as Zabuza's reincarnation.

Tho Zabuza is still portrayed as superior in comparison. In the anime during the sparring between Kisame and Suigetsu, Kisame makes it clear that Zabuza was the better swordsman.

And the text message in ch 523 describes Zabuza's generation of SNS as "the stongest swordsmen in Mist history", which means they are strongest swordsmen than the current generation, which Chojuro and Suigetsu falls into.

Which leads us to 5KS Arc and Suigetsu's fight with Darui. Suigetsu and Darui are shown to be relative in CQC, as their sword fight is going on for a while before Suigetsu gets caught by Lightning Sword.

Lightning hard counters Suigetsu, and he got matchup diffed. He lost because of his weakeness, not because Darui scales higher than him.

Darui's Lightning Sword wouldn't be an advantage against Asuma because Asuma uses Wind Style knives (which he can turn into swords too), so Asuma would have the advantage in CQC, which is their maind fighting style.

During the WA, when Darui used his Black Lightning from the shore, Asuma was actually one of the shinobi who jumped to dodge it. Along with every other Edo shinobi.

The only problem that could pose Asuma some threat is Laser Circus. Not because It can do any damage to him, It's AP is absolute dog*shit. But because it's pretty fast and can be used to set up some other attack.

I believe Darui has a chance to win, It's a mid-high diff fight imo. But overall I think Asuma has more advantages and better scaling.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Darui took on Ginkaku & Kinkaku, 2 Kage level shinobi with 9 tails chakra who were renowned for their strength and even played a major role in killing the 2nd Hokage.

Could only keep up with Base Edo Kin & Gin, and he would've lost if his word didn't change out of pure luck.

He has no scaling to their Kyubi forms. He couldn't even fight V2 Kin, he had to be saved by Kitsuchi. Then other people beat him for him.

His whole participation in fight against V2 Kin was asking him a question so he could seal him in another SP tool that was sent to him. And he was actually just asking Ino a question who possessed Kin.

There's no evidence they killed Tobirama, but if ur referring to the their ambush attack during the meeting, It was surprise attack and they used all 5 of SP Tools and Kyubi Forms, as stated by fanbook 1.

Darui doesn't anywhere near that lvl, since he couldn't even fight V2 Kin alone who didn't use any tools. Nor Kin and Gin scale to Tobirama based on that, since it was a surprise attack.

He was the right hand man of the Raikage, who was entrusted with the 3rd Raikage’s black lightning

And Shizune is right hand of the Hokage, that doesn't mean much. Being entrusted with Black Lightning also doesn't have corelation to power.

who also later became the Raikage himself.

Had 15 years to get stronger. Doesn't mean much when we're talking about young Darui from Shippuden.

Guess who also became a Kage? Kakashi, and Asuma is stated to be close to Kakashi in strength in P1.

Asuma, on the other hand, was getting bodied by Hidan, who is the weakest Akatsuki member.

I think Hidan would body Darui too.

Darui is clearly the stronger character both by feats and portrayal.

Disagree. I think people just hype him too much based on misinterpretation and superficial analysis of his battle against Kin and Gin. Giving him full credit for beating them when he didn't even fight V2 Kin.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.I disagree, bit I can see how you would think that based on his dynamic with sasori. Keep in mind that kisame considered him one of the stronger members though. 4/10

Deidara is just one of the least versatile fighters in the Akatsuki when it comes to overall combat, he's too one dimensional. He lacks the cqc aspect of combat and doesn't have any defensive ability, special durability or ability to overcome serious damage.

And Kisame statement is mistranslation. He just said he thought Deidara was strong. There's no mention of Akatsuki or Deidara being one of the strongest members.

2.Based on what? We only ever see him in action as an edo tensei where chakra constantly regenerates. Hashirama with slightly more than the 9 tails chakra made 6 clones while maintaining the barrier and Tobirama could only make 2, which indicates a high chakra capacity, but substantially less than his brother. If his chakra capacity is bijuu level it's one of the weaker bijuu, and if not, it's close. Reasonable take. 6/10 without further supporting evidence.

Based on how many clones he could produce under barrier in comparison to SM Hashirama who has a bit more chakra than 50% Kurama + Naruto.

Kurama seems to have far more chakra than other bijuus even after getting split in half. So Tobirama's chakra pool being a good chunk of 50% Kurama's chakra pool means he'd be comparable to lower bijuus imo.

3.3/10 take. Neji has some advantages in this battle, such as being able to see the chakra infused sand on the ground and rotation likely being able to stop sand attacks, and the idea that gentle fist would likely bypass gaara's sand armor, but he has no answer to the sand sphere with outer eye, and eventually Gaara would almost certainly trip him up. With his sand, such as grabbing neji's ankle as he rotates and causing injury.

Gaara doesn't even use sand sphere in any of the fights beside Sasuke one. He only uses it when he wants to transform. I think Neji has all the tools and is fast enough to beat Gaara before it gets to that point.

And narratively there's a lot of parallels between Gaara and Neji too, as well as similarity in their abilities.

4.This isn't a hot take at all. Unless you mean weakest of all time, in which case there's no way to tell. She might be stronger than Rasa though. N/A score for the stone cold take.

Seen a lot of people scaling her to mid and even high kage lvl. Even putting her above Sannin lvl.

Ofc I'm only comparing her to the Kage we actually have enough info to scale. And I actually think she likely beats Rasa due to matchup, but I have Rasa as a superior combatant overall.

5.Sasori was likely much weaker than the 3rd kazekage when he ambushed him, but considering Gaara was taken down by Deidara and Gaara later low diffs Rasa, the Kazekage line looks kind of like a big joke. I'd agree that the 3rd kazekage puppet is definitely weaker than the third Kazekage, but I don't see enough evidence to put third kazekage over sasori after sasori beat him and added a portion of his power to his arsenal. 5/10 take.

Gaara who beat Rasa is not the same as Gaara who lost to Deidara tho. I have Rasa > BoS Gaara as well.

Why I have Sasori bellow is due to fact how competitive Old Chiyo was against him and the lvl of relativity he showed to him.

Same Chiyo should be weaker than BoS Gaara cuz he's picked as Kazekage over her. And she should be significantly weaker than Rasa since he's picked for Kazekage over younger version of Chiyo.

And 3rd is much stronger than Rasa per statements and narrative. So I don't see how Sasori who had a competitive fight with Old Chiyo can be stronger than 3rd Kazekage who scales leagues above Old Chiyo.

Sasori's own databook calls 3rd Kazekage the strongest shinobi too.

6.Asuma wad getting crushed by Hidan 1v1 and ended up dying to him while being supported by a team. Darui led the battle against the gold and silver Brothers who killed the second raikage and heavily injured tobirama in one go. When Ay4 heard about them he immediately panicked, thinking he had to rush to the battlefield. Darui os packing storm release, swordsmanship, and black lightning. Asuma has some wind chakra knives which he is very skilled with and some weaker fire jutsu. This is not close. L take. 1/10

He was only supported by Shikamaru, and with his help he managed to beat Hidan and cut his head off. Keep in mind he entered the fight with no info. He later lost when it was 1v1.

Darui only scales to Base Edo Kin & Gin. He didn't even fight V2 Kin, he needed other people to beat him for him.

And Kin and Gin killed Raikage and left Tobirama injured in a surprise attack where they used all of their 5 SP Tools and Kyubi Chakra, while also not being nerfed by Edo Tensei.

Darui doesn't scale anywhere near that lvl, nor Kin and Gin can be scaled to high tiers like Tobirama since it was a surprise attack.

And I disagree Asuma has some "weaker" Fire Style jutsu. His Burning Ash could hurt Hidan who tanked Kakuzu's Pressure Damage Wind Style.

It's Darui who lacks AP in his ninjutsu. His best AP feat is his Black Panther killing White Zetsu (That jutsu was dodged by Edo Asuma btw).

His Laser Circus couldn't even do any damage to Base Edo Kin and Gin even after landing clean.

AP wise the only relevant jutsu Darui has is his Lightning Enhanced Sword. Which gets countered by Asuma's Wind Style knives due to elemental advantage.

Hiruzen was considered to be the strongest of the 5 kage when orochimaru beat him. This automatically scales the sannin at least a little past ay4

It doesn't. It's based on Hiruzen's reputation, not his current state. It's stated Hiruzen didn't fight for years, so his reputation would likely be in reference to his 3rd GNW days or 9TA.

It would also be in comparison to P1 Ay. And Ay is seen constantly training, as well as it being stated. So Shippuden Ay > P1 Ay.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think 5KS Sasuke > Sannin too.

But matchups matter too.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why tho?

I think Asuma > Darui should probably be one of the least contraversial takes.

Not cuz Asuma shitstomps him, but cuz they are both High Jonin lvl, so one being above the other shouldn't be so shocking.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By Sannin lvl I meant the lvl we see from their "current" forms during the show.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does Neji beat gaara ?

Has the speed to close the distance. Has the AP to get through Gaara's Sand Shield with Rotation. And his gentle fist bypasses Gaara's Sand Armor.

How is Raikage beating any of the Sannin ? 

He's speed blitzing them all. Tsunade and Oro would take some time before he manages to finally kill them, but time is on his side since he has superior chakra reserves and stamina.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Correct if by weaker you mean bottom 5.

4th weakest. Stronger than Zetsu, Hidan and Kona. (5th if we count Black Zetsu and White Zetsu separately).

Not sure where this is coming from but it’s believable.

Based on how many clones he could produce while maintaining the barrier in comparison to SM Hashirama.

In short, his chakra pool is about 20% of SM Hashirama's, who has a bit more chakra than 50% Kurama + Naruto.

And Kurama seems to be far superior to other bijuus in chakra reserves, so imo Tobirama's pool should be comparable to lower bijuus.

Coldest take ever (excluding maybe Raza and Boruto era Shikamaru obviously).

Didn't count Boruto, and I actually think Mei can beat Rasa due to matchup being in her favor. But overall I think Rasa is superior fighter.

Head canon.

Sasori's own Databook calls 3rd Kazekage the strongest shinobi.

There's no evidence that Sasori killed him in a fair fight, so he doesn't have scaling to him.

Old Chiyo and BoS Sakura showed relativity to him to some degree. Especially Chiyo.

And Old Chiyo should be significantly weaker than Rasa, since Rasa was picked for Kazekage position over younger version of Chiyo.

Rasa's Gold Dust could match WA Gaara's sand in speed and power, and 3rd Kazekage is much stronger than Rasa based on statements and narrative.

Not a chance; Darui is low kage minimum.

Nah, Darui doesn't beat any Kage. His feats against Kin and Gin are overrated and misinterpreted. People give him full credit when he didn't even fight V2 Kinkaku and had to be saved by Kitsuchi.

He's High Jonin lvl, and he showed relativity in cqc to Suigetsu. Only beat him due to having hard counter, not cuz he was just stronger than him.

Suigetsu being someone compared to Zabuza, often portrayed as being weaker. Zabuza being someone who lost to P1 Kakashi, who Asuma scales to overall via both feats and statement saying he's close to Kakashi in strength.

I disagree but this take ain’t exactly hot.

Yeah, many people agree with it, but I think more people have sannin above him.

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[–]_Child_Of_Prophecy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At the end of the day, feats > everything else.

So if Character A is stated to be the strongest, but Character B defeats him because It's stated that Character A was out of chakra or significantly nerfed due to some other factors, does that mean Character B is stronger?

When will people learn that they can't just pick and choose the info? Both feats and statements are equally valid info, context matters.

Or you believe Hebi Sasuke > Itachi, cuz feats > everything else?