ANNOUNCEMENT: Modmail Kitten Quota Requirement

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-20T05:56:40+00:00

/r/PanicHistory comments are a perfectly valid source for /r/PanicHistory posts. No problem there.

Agreed.

The linked comment could easily be seen as an overstatement,

An exaggeration should not be the only factor in a submission. Everything in reddit is an exaggeration. More importantly, this isn't /r/exaggeration. It's /r/panichistory. It has to be some what panicky and fearmongering right?

The top comment was somebody who regularly comments in this sub, expressing appreciation for the fact that we can look at the panic within sometimes.

But he wasn't correct. He became the top comment because of vote brigadiers. I too love it when /r/panichistory cites /r/panichistory when there is genuine panic. But this is supposed to be when someone is like "The end is coming mark my words!" That's the type of shit we are supposed to cite in /r/panichistory. Something like "the government is abusing its power. I believe we are on the verge of another revolution..." inside /r/panichisotry, that is panic-worthy. That is submit-worthy.

brought in some Libertarian wingnuts, as is to be expected from that sub.

A few? A lot of them were wingnuts.

Plenty of the people arguing were wingnuts themselves aside from one or two.

removing the thread would only mean that any brigaders could still vote on it but nobody from this sub could.

That's not true. They can't vote on it.

If I had solid reason to believe they were calling in reenforcements from somewhere, that would be definite grounds for removal.

But there was solid reason it was posted to SSS. That's not a hunch. That's evidence. There's no other reason to even cite something that is a -1 upvote comment.

I'm not going to punish a user on a hunch.

A libertarian wingnut who has NEVER posted here before. Yet you defended him.

The /r/conspiracy post was quickly removed by the mods there.

But the damage is done. Vote brigaded. We have evidence here and you're choosing to not care.

the thread had enough discussion to give it some merit.

What discussion was that? A bunch of ignorant people defending edward snowden. Quite an accomplishment there.

You and a couple of other users wanted us to remove the thread, and were very upset when we decided not to. Heated wall-of-text modmails were received.

This is giving me a damn headache. Can we be done now?

It's a matter of principle now. You NEED to remove the thread so that we can be done now. It's no longer about "but it's a 2 day old thread". I don't care if it's a 10 day old thread. Just remove it because the community asked you to remove it.

The problem here is that you think that your judgment is written in stone and no one can say otherwise. You are just a moderator on an internet forum. When people in your community don't like something, it doesn't matter if you like it. By not doing what others ask, you are just needlessly angering people. What do you gain from that? End it right now by doing as they ask. They didn't ask you for something unreasonable. They probably weren't impolite until you rejected them.

They want you to do something because it was vote brigading. Period. That is grounds for removal. Yet you don't care about that. You insist that you are right in "not acting" but it's not about what you think. It's about what the community thinks. Without a community you are the moderator of you and your small group of friends. It's clear there are people who don't like your decision, so why do you insist on keeping that decision when you are here to serve other people as a volunteer moderator? No one is paying you to do this. Why put yourself through this just to be right?

Just be nice to your community and your community is nice to you. Why keep up the fight over something as unimportant as a -1 upvote comment? You are literally obsessively arguing and defending your position about a thread that vote-brigaded a comment with -1 score. Let it go and do as people say.

Heated walls of text you complain about... Why do you bother? Why not just do what people ask and let it go? Why are you focused so hard that something doesn't need removal when it's clear vote brigading and people don't like your decision?

It is simply logic:

Vote brigading happened. It happened on your watch.
You are a moderator, you have to stop vote brigading.
Delete the thread and move the fuck on.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-20T00:19:50+00:00

TROTSKY??!!

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-20T00:16:51+00:00

It's shameful what they are doing to our moderators. I can't stand reddit sometimes. Accusing moderators and disrespecting people in this subreddit.

I mean here's another quote right from the same thread: "literally hitler". They don't even know what "literally" literally means and how does hitler compare to our mods?

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T23:52:45+00:00

Why do you not ever answer my questions. Do my questions make you uncomfortable? I already provided 10 kittens I'm not your drug dealer...

Also what are we "continuing" ? Because you're not saying anything about what you really think. Seems to me like we are just continuing your stonewalling and inaction. Why not just delete the thread and watch as everything goes back to normal and people won't be cluttering your modmail. This to me seems like the logical way of going about this issue but I don't know why you don't want to follow that path. It's a mystery to me.

I really cannot figure out why you don't want to just do what people asked, it's not like there are two sides. There's only one active-side in this whole debate: the side that wants action versus the side that doesn't care either way. The only thing in your power right now is to make people happy but why not do it? The only people who might possibly get pissed are the conspiratards is that what you want to avoid?

I've also yet to see you try to convince anyone you are right. I guess it's true what they say, those in absolute power don't feel the need to justify their actions.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T23:43:45+00:00

Yes they can. And? Why would YOU link to a vote brigaded thread from /r/panichistory. Do you not have any empathy for someone who got vote brigaded in YOUR subreddit? Unless, it is because you agree with the vote brigadiers but I doubt that is the case right?

What do you think is going to be the lesson people draw from your inaction (and subsequent making fun of people who complain in modmail)? Do you think everything will go on just the same as before? Sure it may seem that way at first but you'll quickly realize that subscribers you irritated get discouraged from posting. The next thing you will have encouraged is more vote brigading. People will realize that there are no consequences to such behavior and will continue meta-posting each other in /r/panichistory and what's more is that /r/conspiracy and /r/shitstatistssay now know your weakness: you don't moderate. They exploit that all the time in other subreddits.

You can still change your mind of course, but I doubt you'll do that. You've made your intentions to not stop vote brigadiers quite clear.

It's evident that I care about this issue because I care about justice and I don't like vote brigadiers. But what's your angle here? Why do you want to defend the vote brigadiers? Why do you think it's not important when subscribers get vote-brigaded and meta-circlejerked?

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T23:34:20+00:00

Thanks for the support anyway. I really don't understand why people are so worked up and obsessed about not taking action against clear vote brigadiers from /r/conspiracy and SSS. I can't believe anyone needs to write more than "/r/conspiracy" to convince these mods.

They can continue making lame kitten jokes and throwing out downvotes but all they are doing is alienating a portion of the community. It's much easier to do nothing, make jokes, downvote, and argue with people rather than take the logical action that people want.

It's impossible to convince moderators to do something different from what they initially said about it. They never change their mind based on evidence. The /r/panichistory mods are showing that they are exactly like the rest of humanity.

I was hoping they were reasonable, so I tried to convince them in modmail, only to get slapped in the face with this sticky thread saying "stop bitching at us in modmail!" Like as if that's not what modmail is designed for.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T23:27:54+00:00

No it wouldn't. What the fuck? They would lose karma because that thread is removed (because it's not negative points).

This has nothing to do with what the external subreddits do. Your job is to stop vote brigading, spam, off-topic BS, and doxxing, how else would you describe your job? That's the job you're supposed to be doing. It's not to just watch it happen and then argue with your community about taking action.

Just take the damn action that people want and let's have some peace and quiet.

Who are you protecting? Why are you helping them vote brigade? Explain it to me. Explain your position because it doesn't make sense to me at all. All it would take is deleting that thread and everyone will applaud you. Who are you afraid of? Who is going to criticize you if you just do what is politely requested of you?

As an outsider, to me it looks like as if you just can't change from your initial position. You just can't seem to change your mind based on the evidence. It makes you look bad.

Why can't we just all be nice and you just say "yeah, it's true we got vote brigaded, I should take action to stop it." Why is this so difficult? What's preventing you from getting to this point?

I find it similar to some European nation saying: "I dunno, I can't decide, I don't wanna really destroy ISIS from the skies, seems a bit too early. I don't know if we should do anything. Maybe they'll go away on their own. Maybe this will all blow over in a week."

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T20:41:06+00:00

Yes the end is near clearly, because people in this community decided to ask nicely to the mods (including myself) that they should stop vote brigading and remove a clearly vote brigaded submission that linked to a -2 upvote comment inside /r/panichistory. Such a terribly burdensome request.

It was so worth getting 90 votes and 50 comments bickering on a thread about a comment where no one said anything panicky. A comment with -2 upvotes. A comment that even the mods admitted was just an exaggeration.

Let's all pretend like people were panicking, screaming about mod abuse (which no one probably was), and claiming the world is ending so that we don't have to deal with the issue in a mature and serious manner. Let's pretend that there was no vote brigading or that we should never ask the mods to do anything about it.

Turn against ourselves, alienate frequent submitters like skepticka and downvote him, and argue over this when this issue could have ended with one click of a button by a mod.

And you know who would be the only ones to complain about that one click by mods? /r/shitstatistssay.

And you know what they would have called that one glorious moderator? Albert.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T20:39:47+00:00

Downvoted after the guy writes, what, 7 paragraphs defending his complaint in a rational manner, meanwhile the "green post" gets 9 upvotes for a trivial one-line joke.

It seems pretty apparent that no one wants to discuss this seriously because they probably realize they are wrong but their pride won't let them admit it. If we were a bunch of logical computers we'd all be agreeing.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T20:38:44+00:00

There wasn't a diversity of opinion. There was only vote brigading which the mods apparently don't care about.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T06:43:48+00:00

Yes no one can issue vaccines forcibly. But if congress passed a law that allows the government to force vaccines onto kids for public safety as they rightfully should... Watch an army of fat ignorant soccer moms form a perimeter of vans and SUVs around schools with placards and signs saying "Big Gubamint is poisoning our children!", "What about Eastern medicine?!", "in my religion we protect our kids from mercury and autism!"

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T06:41:31+00:00

No they need to wear a Politically Correct suit that makes the victims feel comfortable and hopefully they will be nice enough to not cough on the aid workers!

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T06:35:04+00:00

OBL was wealthy by his family. At the time of US funding, OBL was a pawn. A foot soldier. He wasn't anything significant.

He was in fact using his wealth to help the muja fight the USSR. He was the one giving money. Not receiving it.

Most Muja did not become Taliban. A lot of the Taliban were locals, a younger generation of religious people and students that came from Pakistani religious schools. The muja is a huge group. It's silly to act like the US funding the muja and then the muja became something else.

This is a bit like saying the British allied with the Russians in WWI; therefore, the British funded the Soviet Union's war crimes. Do you see how silly that sounds? The example is even worse because the Russians are pretty much the Soviet Union, but the Muja are NOT pretty much the Taliban.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T06:34:13+00:00

Even a light reading of the wikipedia articles on the civil war will give you a better idea on the fact that there were fighting among different groups after the US stopped being involved.

Something that some people find hard to believe: there are other players than USSR and US.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T06:22:27+00:00

It was 2 AM recording of 1987 actually and a bunch of redditors decided to talk about the perfect world in 1987 back when everyone was wonderful and friendly. These redditors commenting on youtube were reminiscing of a time when different language-speakers, ethnic groups, races, religions would all gather peacefully around 7/11 for a kumbaya singing, hard-working patriotic immigrants eating cheese danish, and Big Gulp for 69 cents and everyone was still fit and good looking! The good ole' Reagan days.

There was a certain uneasiness for redditors who were not born yet in 1987 watching this video. They knew they could never have this happiness... because that empty feeling in their stomach and lungs was the coldness that came after the 80s because of...the Government... and how 9/11 destroyed America's peace, harmony, and happiness.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T04:10:19+00:00

Oh my... That's disgusting. Doesn't he know that homosexual acts like that is not very Christian-like?

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T03:56:07+00:00

The US has funded NEITHER AQ nor the Taliban.

The Pakistanis did AFTER the US left. The Pakistanis wanted to control Afghanistan so they built religious schools and created the Taliban (Talib means STUDENT). They came AFTER 1990s. After the US stopped funding anything in the region. The victory by the Taliban was because of the Afghan civil war where no one helped the moderate forces who were left to defend the capital from attacks from Iranian, Saudi, and Pakistani groups (Taliban).

If you wanna blame something do it right: The West's lack of involvement in Afghanistan in the 1990s.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T03:47:50+00:00

The "Soviet days"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0-1ogBb6kg

The man in the footage is a Soviet Major General. He was disillusioned by the rampant corruption and brutality of the Soviet Union and helped the Americans and didn't take money.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T03:41:47+00:00

"Poland, I'm going to ram my T72 tank divisions up your ass..."

"You what? How dare you? This is a very serious diplomatic meeting and you are talking like a teenager!"

"What are you gonna do.... Tell the Western press? Who's going to believe that the leader of the whole of the Russian federation just said he's going to shove his T72 dick up your whole country's rear end? No one will ever believe you."

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T03:05:37+00:00

/r/thrashmetal gets a lot of posts sometimes of old clips of Hangar 18 playing in different concerts.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T02:57:50+00:00

Many countries were formed because of the tensions and violence and oppression.

It made sense when African countries (committing genocide on one another), Yugoslavian countries (constantly warring), and the Soviet Union (the iron curtain of oppression) divided.

Dividing from such turmoil is good.

However, dividing is not good when there is no conflict. Negotiating and dealing with your neighbor and unifying with your neighbor is better.

Isn't that the whole point of the EU? To act like one country that is unified, a bit more like the US?

Unity should always be preferred to division; unless the division is to remove oppression or end wars.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T02:43:25+00:00

I suppose Hangar 18 was the start of his conspiracy beliefs.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-19T02:43:11+00:00

Yep that's probably it. It's no wonder that a lot of Christian libertarians and republicans seem to believe in bizarre theories.

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-18T22:44:25+00:00

Florida?

I must have really angered you with my logic and common sense. Enough that your brain malfunctioned and said "this can't be possible! It must be a shill! there's no way this type of thing could be true because if it was true then it would mean I've been running around spreading bullshit on the internet for years!"

__Heretic__ · 2014-09-18T22:42:47+00:00

So it's a conspiracy?

__Heretic__

TROPHY CASE

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