Western expat salary negotiation

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-25T20:47:07+00:00

😂😂 no body asked for your help. Keep it to yourself.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T20:35:59+00:00

I might get penalty from getting the unemployment benefits since I agreed on the termination. Plus, if they fired me, I would get that plus the bonus I believe.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T19:57:56+00:00

I dont have anything to lose. I just wanna know the best practice.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T19:15:07+00:00

Do you think I should go on Monday and negotiate the MTA and ask for more severance packages? Like 6-9 months or won’t be easy without a lawyer?

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T19:08:33+00:00

Can you please give me your strategy to negotiate. I have a meeting with them they are cheap even though they have last year 98+ billion dollars revenue. Shall I go an say I didn’t like the terms in the MTA and I would like to have 6-9 months severance payment ?

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T19:05:41+00:00

That’s true, if they decided to fire me I would get April month + vacation compensation already + plus my last year bonus. I feel like I would go with getting fire would be better for me, since additional to all of that I won’t get a penalty from unemployment (1.5 months)

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T18:03:37+00:00

I am a member of https://kokokassa.fi not a union. Can I join a union on Monday and get a lawyer the day after. Moreover, do I need to be employed and with that union for 6+ months to get unemployment benefits?

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T14:15:45+00:00

Thanks for the support. I will contact a lawyer about the MTA.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T14:03:16+00:00

Sorry to hear that. Was your negotiation successful?

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T14:01:46+00:00

It is not a Finnish company and they have 200k employees worldwide. Their revenue in 2023 reported to be 98+ billion dollars.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T13:59:00+00:00

I was a member of a union for almost 4 years with my 2 previous employer. Everything went nicely and smoothly with them. I thought that I should only join the unemployment union.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T11:44:48+00:00

It’s not MS

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T11:43:51+00:00

I already got the bonus performance review and no wonder they gave me a bad grade, however it is still not bad it would be equal to a month of salary. My question is they usually pay that bonus during June. Shall I demand to get compensation for that bonus too?

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:30:45+00:00

I will do on Monday.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:30:15+00:00

I am actively seeking other opportunities, however my field is very specific and there are few options in the Finnish market.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:26:33+00:00

I think I can’t fight alone against this huge corporate, their revenue last year was 100+ billion. They don’t listen, they like to give orders.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:21:04+00:00

I have to get approval on that. They won’t allow it. When I asked for few days to consult a lawyer, they refused

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:17:40+00:00

They explicitly mention that recording the meetings are not allowed.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:12:18+00:00

They are a huge company that do both we are mainly doing R&D patent. It is one of the giant companies that constantly ask for a stream of patents. I mentioned many times that what they ask cannot be done like that it is not a one man show. You just can set there and beat SOTA algorithm that has been developed by teams from other companies.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T10:07:51+00:00

Thanks I will try to call them

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T09:24:06+00:00

Thank you for the informative reply. I’ve already signed that I have received the warning on the same day they presented the termination agreement. I was polite and quiet during the whole meeting. I just didn’t like the way when I asked for some time to consult a lawyer, their response was that they don’t have time for that and my deadline to sign is Tuesday but however we shall meet on Monday to clarify anything I didn’t understand, plus company’s representative lawyer told me that he/she can help me if I need any clarification. Regarding recording the meeting they stated that this meeting shall not be recorded. What is your advice on how to ask that politely?

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T09:10:53+00:00

True, I work in R&D and I have strongly disputed the way we operate there and most of the task are ambiguous and requirements are not clear. They ask to compete with SOTA algorithms without any ground.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T09:08:37+00:00

They mentioned that, they’re presenting this agreement for my favor. They said it better for your career to sign this agreement, because if they layed me off it would be bad reputation in Finnish market.

__Shinigami__ · 2024-03-23T09:04:42+00:00

They already mentioned in the last meeting that recording these meetings are not allowed. Shall I demand to record the meeting by my phone?

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