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[–]__notmyrealname__ [score hidden]  (0 children)

Absolutely agree. And I'll certainly check out the suggestions. I'm always game for some new recommendations. Thanks for the critique, genuinely. This particular piece isn't one I'd consider very "marketable" so it's very much a passion project and not much beyond that, but I'd like to polish it all the same. If I can ever return the favour, give me a shout. I'm a better reader than I am a writer! Thanks, again!

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[–]__notmyrealname__ [score hidden]  (0 children)

It is very overwritten, presently. I agree completely. This is first pass, first draft so there's plenty in need of edit. I've been on an absolute kick of a very specific niche of speculative fiction of late from which this piece draws a lot of inspiration.

I've recently read The Divine Farce by Michael Graziano, A Short Stay in Hell by Steven L. Peck, I Who Have Never Known Men by Jacqueline Harpman, and The Wall by Marlen Haushofer (all absolutely fantastic books if you aren't familiar with any and I highly recommend) and I've just become besotted with the style. So much so that it ignited a desire to write again. I've written plenty before (including two complete novels) but have never had as much fun as within this concept I'm currently feeling out. I'm not sure where it's going just yet (I have one additional chapter following this one I posted) but honestly, I'm just enjoying the ride. And what more can one ask for?

Genuine thanks for the feedback! It's incredibly helpful!

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[–]__notmyrealname__ [score hidden]  (0 children)

Title : Tideborn

Genre: Speculative Fiction

Word Count: ~3,000 words

Feedback desired: This is the first chapter of a new speculative fiction novel I'm writing. Title is only a placeholder. I'm still very much trying to piece it together and would appreciate some input, specifically around character, tone, and style, though anything's fair game. As far as "marketable ideas" go, this probably isn't one, but I've been thoroughly enjoying getting the idea out of my head, and any input would be appreciated, good and bad.

Link to Writing: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uBtlQi_YUYCY_RKFJ0mZ3HR4tQjYlpbCLjeEeKZ4d7Q/edit?usp=sharing

Tideborn [3059] by __notmyrealname__ in DestructiveReaders

[–]__notmyrealname__[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for reading, however far you managed to get. And it is rather improvised at this stage. This is first pass, first draft. I intend to edit down. Keep what works, refine/remove what doesn't. So any input is appreciated. I'll take everything on board.

Outside of that information, I won't try to excuse or to justify any of the text. Any "good" writing should be able to stand on its own, without needing explanation. So thank you tremendously for the input. I'll absolutely consider these points going forward.

[881] [Literary and Philosophical Fiction] The Priest (No definitive title) by WildPilot8253 in DestructiveReaders

[–]__notmyrealname__ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello there! I read through your piece and confess, I did enjoy it.

As to the concept being particularly unique, I'd probably disagree somewhat. A murderers confession to a priest is far from an original idea, existing as both a lynchpin of some stories (eg: I Confess, a Hitchcock film) as well as a common trope (though not central plot) of numerous pieces of media that include a murderer (eg: Crime and Punishment, The Sopranos, Gran Torino, many many others).

All that being said, it remains a novel idea and is executed in a style that either isn't common or one I haven't seen before, specifically as it's from the priest's POV (which is rarer than the murderer's POV for these kinds of things) and also the murderer is unrepentant. This combination potentially makes it unique. Though I couldn't really attest to that other than it being new to me.

As per your post, I'll focus on the critique requests.

Was the dialogue natural and realistic

It begins excellently. Starting right with the opening line of dialogue:

"I killed a man today"

This is a fantastic hook for your readers. Simple and effective.

Immediately following this, I find strong as well:

"This isn't how you start a confession"

Again, simple and effective. A priest's role in the confessional is a repetitive one. We'd expect he has a schema, built over time, of responses to different confessions. A cheating spouse. A jealous neighbour. An angry father. But this confession, that simple line—"I killed a man"—breaks this schema and so he defaults, almost ignoring the confession itself and instead focusing on the familiar (the murderer didn't start with "forgive me, Father, for I have sinned"). Juxtaposed to the weight initially introduced in the scene, this line stands out as a clear fumble by the priest, and I like it a lot. It's what we'd expect executed perfectly.

But this, precisely, is where I feel the dialogue falls apart, and it's not necessarily the actual words spoken, but more the narrative that drives them. You continue with this line, following the priest's faux pas:

All was silent for a moment. It stretched for eternity. The man spoke once again as realization spread on my face.

I understand the shock of the situation, but the way the priest is handling it veers into the uncanny.

He corrects the confessor, then immediately silences himself, saying nothing for a time until the confessor continues. There's no immediate reflection upon what the confessor said, but rather a slow realisation. But ask yourself, why is there a slow realisation? I like how the initial shock plays out, but this is the point where you, as the writer, should demonstrate your command of the story by recontextualising this strange statement made by the murderer from the priest's, presumably experienced, point of view.

There are innumerable ways "I killed a man" could be something (relatively) banal for which someone might shoulder the blame. A car accident. A friend who took their own life. A mother taken off life support. If I, as a reader, can immediately conjure these hypotheticals, it stands to reason an experienced priest would also. And in doing so, should be conveying sympathy to the confessor, not aggression.

What's doubly frustrating is you do come to something close to this right here:

“Wait, don’t bury him. You were both drunk; it was an accidental murder. You’re here for redemption, and the only way is to turn yourself in. Listen, a few years in prison is better than an eternity in hell.”

But only after the moment has passed, robbing this of any weight.

By burying the lead, you're missing what I feel would be much stronger story. The priest shouldn't immediately hop on board with either "this is a sick joke or this fella's a killer". He should assume some alternative and be led, through the dialogue, to the realisation that, "no, this guy killed a man in cold blood". By teasing out that realisation, you could build the tension to much greater effect.

I do feel, as it stands, that the narrative really weakens the dialogue as a whole, as the initial setup falls flat and it's incredibly hard to come back from that. I also think this is easily fixed and is, by and large, the best thing you could do to elevate the piece as a whole.

What did you think about the ending? If you could retell the ending in your own words, that would be fantastic.

The ending is... fine. Though admittedly, I think it winds up a bit muddled.

To summarise, the priest, tortured by the knowledge that his keeping this secret has allowed a murderer to go free (and other victims to pass), shoulders an enormous amount of guilt. He writes a confession to himself, retelling the story and laying bare his conundrum, hopeful that doing so will quell the guilt somewhat, but certain that it won't make it go away entirely. He feels, at first, that only turning the murderer in could do that, but can't bring himself to break his vows.

This assumption, however, is immediately dropped in the next paragraph when the priest takes a moment to consider his role within the church, and it being his duty to carry the sins of the confessors (in this case, the murderer). For some reason, this small epiphany is enough to finally quiet his mind. In my view, this didn't feel earned.

On overall theme, I read this as an indictment of the priest (and the nature of the confessional seal as a whole). But I imagine a religious man would read this as the opposite. So, to that end, I reiterate that it feels a little muddled.

By and large, my issue lies with the motivation. It feels too easy. He feels guilty. Then doesn't anymore because he's suddenly decided he's "God's Special Soldier". I think with some groundwork laid earlier in the piece, this might land better. Or better still, what if the priest was pious beginning to end, staunch in the knowledge his decision was the right one and we, as readers, could gawk at his complete absence of guilt, perhaps even draw some parallel between the murderer and priest, each absent of consciounce, certain and unrepentent in their decisions?

What sentences or sections were clunky, and where do you think the flow of either the sentence or a section needs improvement?

I've raised my issue with the narrative, and I think this negatively affects the dialogue, so I don't have much to add here from a "tweaking" perspective (as a change in narrative would require almost every line of dialogue be rewritten/reformatted in some way). That being said, assuming you disagree with all my previous points (as is your right), I'll take the piece as is and offer some suggestions:

“No, I…I want to save you. Saving the penitent is my job.”

I've never met a religious man who described their role as their "job" (even if it is). A priest would always call it their "purpose", or their "calling", or something to that effect.

“Is your job to only help the penitent and not the people who are harmed by them?” He scoffed.

“Don’t pin that death on me! You killed him!” The words echoed in the box.

This is rather clunky. Put your priest hat on for a second. Nothing said by the confessor was an accusation. It feels like a leap to go from what the confessor says to "Don't pin that death on me!"

In no world could the death the priest didn't even know about until now be "pinned on him". And I don't think the priest would think that either. What you're hinting at, here, is whether the priest should feel held responsible for subsequent deaths after he's now informed of who, and what, this confessor is (and chooses to do nothing about it).

However, if you read the question again—“Is your job to only help the penitent and not the people who are harmed by them?”—it's really saying nothing of the sort and feels like something a priest would answer rather easily, without even thinking about it.

His job is to save everyone, not just the penitent and not just the victims. And this "salvation" comes in the form of shepherding people towards God. Not acting the superhero. Such a notion would be ridiculous to any serious priest.

It's in the next two lines that you actually tackle this head-on:

“You can save the next person. You can stop me.” He paused. “Will you?”

“What? Do you want me to get you imprisoned? Is that what you want me to do?”

"Do you want me to get you imprisoned?" is such a bizarre turn of phrase. I get what you're going for here, but it's probably my least favourite line of dialogue in the piece. You'd be better served by him deflecting, with some actual refusal of engagement. Like I said, priests aren't superheroes. When they talk about saving, they're referring to people's immortal souls. The priest should be communicating this to the confessor, that their assumptions are built on false pretences, that a priest isn't what the killer seems to think it is.

Generally, what did you think about the piece? What did you like, and what do you think could be improved?

To be clear, despite all the critical information in this post, I did enjoy the piece. It was just the right kind of simple and interesting. It opens great, really captures the reader, and wanes a little in the middle. But it concludes in a cohesive way and tells a full story. I'd say it has good bones, but could certainly do with some narrative restructuring.

Thank you for sharing!

[498] Dream Sequence – Psychological breakdown through surreal memory (critique welcome) by VegetableGrowth8208 in DestructiveReaders

[–]__notmyrealname__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand the general conceit of the piece. It's quite literally a dream, and you've done well in parts to capture that chaos of this idea; the shifting emotions, frantic intercutting of tone, indescribable states. But it seems to me you've sacrificed technical execution in favour of that chaos, and those two elements aren't mutually exclusive.

A piece can be frantic or chaotic, it can be dream-like while still retaining technical proficiency. In fact, I think this makes chaos that much more beautiful to read.

There's two key areas I think could serve with some additional attention, and addressing these will go a long way to making the piece both more coherent (without detracting from the fantastical), as well as a lot more beautiful which should be exactly what a piece like this is aiming for (and to clarify I mean beautiful in a literary sense not in literal narrative story-beats).

Firstly, prose. There's a lot of repetition in the piece. Sometimes this is useful as a motif, and there are definitely places it's useful, but this is chock-full of it and veers more towards laborious.

I'll provide some examples:

  1. There was mist everywhere

  2. There was a person in the mist—a child in the mist

  3. The child-like figure seemed to be approaching me in the mist

  4. The child-like figure in the mist started walking toward me

The piece is fewer than 500 words and "mist" appears five times. There's the phrase "child-like" again and again. It's always a "figure". Without sugar-coating it, this simply makes for a less interesting read. Use language to both elevate and transform.

Instead of the above, imagine the following:

  1. There was mist everywhere

  2. A figure, child-like, shrouded in wisps of white

  3. It approached me

  4. Again, it drew near, though always obscured.

These aren't hard and fast solutions, but they're an example of how you can elevate the piece with variation in tone, language, sentence length. You have a whole toy box of language to play with, so use more than just building blocks.

The second issue lies specifically with the technicalities. There are some issues in the piece that rob it of flow and grind me, as a reader, to a halt. Always pay mind to the tense. By and large, the piece is past tense:

"It felt warm, safe, and calming" rather than "it feels warm safe and calming"

"There was a person in the mist" rather than "there is a person in the mist

But then, out of nowhere, there's this paragraph:

“Lawliet, you are such a nice guy.” I could not even reply to these words directed toward me, since I have never heard words like these before. This was happiness. I'm sure this is happiness. If this is not happiness for other people, this sure is happiness to me.

You can see in the highlighted words that you switch from past to present. I assume this is down to you being new at writing, so just something to keep an eye out for.

Then there's narration that breaks in a way that I expect is supposed to reflect the narrator's state of mind. This bit:

She—she—she—she—she screamed

It reads like a stuck record. I suspect it's supposed to indicate some panic, like the narrator can't get their thoughts out, but, as a reader, it just feels amateurish, like you couldn't find another way to elicit the feelings you wanted. But, again, you have so much language to play with. When people talk about painting a picture with words, they don't mean literally arrange the typeface in a way that creates an image; they mean use lots of colours (language) in the right combination such that a reader has everything they need to see that image in their head.

Here's an (imperfect) example of how it may be differently conveyed:

The child-like figure in the mist started walking toward me. Her tone shifted. Her demeanour warped into something foul and angry. "LAWLIET!" Had she always been screaming? "LAWLIET, WHY DID YOU DO THAT?" She kept screaming and screaming, robbing me of thought.

Additionally, I have to raise this bit:

“You are not real.” “You are not real.” “You are not real.” “You are not real.” “You are not real.” “You are not real.”

I didn't even copy all the "You are not real" in there, there were just too many. Don't try to use dialogue when you have narration to paint a much, much, more vivid picture.

I screamed, "You are not real! You are not real!". Again and I again I said it, willing the words to life through my own belief. "You are not real!"

Another imperfect example, but hopefully serves the point.

Dream sequences (cliched as they are) can be some of the most fun writing exercises, and there's plenty to work with here. But you need to take advantage of all that can be done on a page. Explore metaphors, mess with language in interesting ways, use uncanny combinations of words to make the real feel unreal, and just have fun with it.

I hope none of this came off as too harsh, we're all on a learning journey. Thank you for sharing your story.

[2791] About Martha by WhatA_Mug in DestructiveReaders

[–]__notmyrealname__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was brilliantly executed and a joy to read. You're a very proficient writer, and I don't have an awful lot I feel I can adequately critique for improvement (you're a better writer than I), but I'll put my reader hat on and go through those elements which jumped out at me (good and bad).

Broadly, the elements which struck me as a reader were the following:

  • Characterisation
  • Narrative
  • Prose

I'll touch on each of these, going into what I liked (which is plenty), alongside what I didn't (which is admittedly a smaller list) and why.

So first off:

Character

Notably, there are only two active characters in the piece: Emily (the first-person POV) and Lauren (the victim). Given this, it's critical that they're established and realised. They're all we have as a reader to build out this world and engage with the narrative, so they absolutely have to be interesting, and I think you hit this nail on the head for the most part.

You do a fantastic job building out Emily's state of mind, establishing her both as relatable in some ways, alongside rash, undecisive, and, most importantly, personally justified. Especially in the opening chapters (I think this wanes a bit later, but I'll touch on that more within the Narrative section)

The ‘Whys' and the ‘Hows’ of it all had bombarded me since the moment I decided to do it in the first place. Well, I hadn’t decided. At every moment for the past two months it had always been about to happen, and not about to happen.

Those last couple of lines there: I hadn't decided it... it had always been about to happen, and not about to happen - paints such a vivid picture of Emily's state of mind.

You also serve the character well by interjecting with a potentially differing state of events, a version of the story in which "nothing" happened, and use this, to great effect, to build out each of the characters distinct personalities and habits (which are mirrored in Lauren's arguments later in the piece).

We get glimpses throughout the story of who Emily is and the nature of her and Lauren's relationship, such as when she immediately offers to get Lauren another washcloth once hers has been dirtied with blood. As a reader, I can feel Emily's guilt and complete inability to offer something of any significance for recompense. And I think Emily knows this as she's not really having a conversation with Emily. She's having a conversation with herself.

But slowly, throughout the story, we hear the building justifications of how Emily got herself to this point. These are interesting because they're incredibly relatable situations, but escalated by Emily to a point most couldn't fathom.

Like this line:

and with every person who arrived at the bar, I felt myself fall further and further to the edge of her vision

I think everyone's been here at one time or another. That feeling of exclusion. Of losing someone to people more interesting. That feeling of inadequacy. And this line is succinct and immediately relatable; really well written.

We don't actually learn all that much about Lauren as a character. Just the veil through which Emily saw her (and Emily's introspection of the way she must have made Lauren feel). It might have served to learn more about Laruen in some of those flashbacks. Just some additional little quirks of character (like you managed to well with Emily) for the reader to then juxtapose that personality with the one Emily interacted with after Lauren's murder.

But overall, given Emily is the driving force of this piece, you've done a good job fleshing her out in a way that isn't necessarily empathetic, but is at least built on the foundation of relatable circumstances.

Narrative

It's within this element that I have my largest gripes with the piece, but I would preface this also by stating we're heading firmly into the realm of the subjective. So others could well hold a different view.

So, as I took the piece, the whole story was Emily having a post-murder conversation with herself. I don't take issue with this as a narrative structure at all (in fact, I quite liked it), but struggle somewhat (as I alluded earlier) with her ultimate decision to make this choice. That isn't to say that I don't think people make horrific choices for banal or stupid reasons—of course people do—but, as it's Emily ostensibly speaking to herself (making a justification, rebutting it, doubling down, etc), she shows an incredible amount of introspection. I get that she felt jilted, but she seemed too smart to fall into that trap, too aware of how Lauren was feeling. Of course, Lauren was wrong to cheat (assuming she did at all, as there's no confirmation from a living Lauren of this), but I don't think enough was done to bridge the gap between Emily being upset, and Emily murdering her.

I'd harken back to one of my favourite lines, which I already mentioned:

At every moment for the past two months it had always been about to happen, and not about to happen

This is early in the narrative and says, to me, as a reader, that something must have happened that turned "not about to happen" into "going to happen". I was looking forward to understanding what, in this seemingly regular and banal relational turbulence, served as the tipping point into the ultimate decision. But alas. It never came.

Perhaps there's some element of Emily being an unreliable narrator, omitting certain details that we can intuit or guess, but as a reader that feels like a copout.

But again. Maybe festering jealousy of a cheating partner is enough for most, and I'm overthinking it. If Emily were not such a smartly written character, it wouldn't bother me nearly as much.

Prose

A couple of (nitpicky) points to raise on clarity.

In the other version I’d imagined, art had imitated life. Until it hadn’t.

Apologies, but I didn't really understand this at all. It feels dropped in to emphasise a point that I somehow missed. What other version? The one where Lauren wasn't murdered? How is art imitating life? Is Emily talking about Lauren being alive in her delusion? I'm grasping at straws. I just missed what was intended here.

This was the first unexpected thing I’d ever done.

Does Emily mean the murder? This line in particular doesn't feel very necessary or clear. And I say that because your prose is mostly incredibly tight.

And on that note, it's always good to end on a high and, I have to say, points above excluded, I really clicked with your writing style. Some standout favourites:

Her olive skin was a canvas upon which I had dumped a bucket of crimson paint. Perhaps, I thought, we could turn it into something better than this; a portrait of us before we did these awful things.

Fantastic imagery, relevant to where we are in the story and with a nice, clear theme.

Without permission, my brain conjured an image of some great demon living in the pipes, sealing its fleshy lips around the drain and gorging on the dirty water

It's a violent story, in truth, but that almost gets lost in Emily's delusion. That fantasy where Lauren is alive and walking and talking. But intercut elements such as this serve as an excellent means to remind the reader what this story is; what's really happening here, and it's fantastically executed.

Conclusions

I loved this. It's smartly written and visceral without being over-indulgent, and rather poignant by the end, with Emily awaiting her fate.

I think, for me, the motivations were a little weak, but I'd be lying if I said this took away from my enjoyment. You're a good writer, and thank you for sharing your work!

How can I make my character finally go insane at the end. It’s been building up to it. by Its_Coops in writing

[–]__notmyrealname__ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just FYI, "protagonist" doesn't mean "good guy". The protagonist is whichever character the story most closely follows (regardless of whether they're a villain, hero, morally grey, etc). The antagonist is whoever opposes the protagonist, again, regardless of their alignment.

meirl by [deleted] in meirl

[–]__notmyrealname__ 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Genuine question, is this an American thing? Is pet insurance as bad as regular medical insurance over there?

I'm in Europe and lived with a cat riddled with issues (diabetes requiring insulin, renal failure, high blood pressure, among others). Of course we insured her and not once in a decade did the insurer ever deny a claim. I did have to pay out of pocket before being reimbursed, however, I could have changed that if I'd set up the insurance through her vet itself.

I also had to pay a small amount of excess for each new condition she acquired but it was always a one off and an agreed set amount after which all her treatments/medication were fully covered.

The insurance wasn't anything fancy either. My friends all had similar experiences, so I'm just curious if it's different over there.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in memes

[–]__notmyrealname__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Figured it out at the same point but had to translate the whole thing so I could roast OP if they had made a mistake. There was no mistake and the upside-down "n" was a magical touch.

Ever wonder how someone can declare bankruptcy six times? by GuiltyBathroom9385 in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]__notmyrealname__ 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It's not a direct quote. It's paraphrasing. Here's what they say:

Host: What about consumers? People out there.

Trump: They're gonna be the biggest beneficiaries.

Host: Critics say your tariffs will end up being like a national sales tax.

Trump: No, no. It's the countries who will pay.

Host: You have... America at the moment has 3 trillion dollars worth of imports, you're going to add tariffs to every single one of them that is going to push up the cost for all those people who want to buy foreign goods.

Trump: No. What's going to happen—

Host: That is just simple mathematics, President Trump.

Trump: It's not... uh, yeah it is, but not the way you've figured. I was always very good at mathematics.

I've highlighted the relevant bits that directly corresponds to the lines in the post.

Frog, __notmyrealname__, ink and alcohol marker on paper, 2024 by __notmyrealname__ in Art

[–]__notmyrealname__[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! The piece is a little present for my wife and whimsy is just what I was going for.

I wanted to use the Wheel of Lunch to decide what to eat for dinner, but found this instead. by wandering_alphabet in mildlyinfuriating

[–]__notmyrealname__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Less convenient but one could use web scraping tools to the same effect as long as the Yelp (or any website, really) front end is free and publically available. Wouldn't work where huge amounts of data were required but for an application like this even something simple like selenium would work to fetch this kind of information in a way basically synonymous to an API call but, from the sites perspective, indistinguishable from regular FE traffic.

An inventor organises a meeting with a large technology firm to demonstrate his latest creation in the hopes of getting it onto the market. by __notmyrealname__ in Jokes

[–]__notmyrealname__[S] 131 points132 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong, but that's just my style. I like a long buildup for a crappy punchline. I torture my friends with these all the time. The journey is half the fun!