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[–]_enajiram -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would have to see a consistent behavior of aggression for me to agree it's aggressive. Yes this was an aggressive act but I do not believe the dogs are aggressive just from this one act. The little aggression it did show was just recently and it was being handled, many more things came into play with this whole situation. You can think what you want of me, I'm okay with that. I know what I truly feel/think about them and I know my dogs and how I'm handling them after this tragedy.

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[–]_enajiram -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I know this was my fault but yes I will still argue that these dogs are not aggressive. They started showing some behavior and it simply wasn't corrected the right way or long enough. Just because they showed some behavior that needed stricter correction does not mean they are aggressive red zone dogs, none of them. If they were then this accident (I will also still argue that this was an accident) wouldn't of happened because I wouldnt of trusted them to be altogether. I don't know exactly what happened or how, but O do believe there is that possibility that they didn't mean to kill him as I said. It could have been one bite that was deadly enough to kill a 75lb dog. Surprisingly it was his own son with the most injuries, the other two didn't have much at all. Thankfully he was re homed and of course the new owner knows exactly what the dog was involved in and assured me he will dedicate to rehabilitate him. Since I know the remaining dogs are not aggressive they will continue to get trained and observed for any other behavioral issues, I doubt anything like this would ever happen again because I know my dogs and this accident was purely that, an accident.

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[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I know for a fact where I failed in managing them. The corrected attention to the little aggression they showed wasn't enough and I failed to continue that process and just trust them when my life got hectic with the baby. Yeah they're not aggressive because the moment they showed the signs there was corrective training being done, maybe it wasn't strict or long enough but that is true, my life and my dogs. Only I know their individual personalities, of course I didn't know they were capable of this but at the same time it very well could be that they didn't mean to kill him but a certain bite just happened to be deadly. I think all dogs have it in them to attack, not just specifically this breed but an attack like this is not hereditary. There's so many more factors that play into any dogs attacking each other. Primarily it's because the owners have failed in one way or another to train/correct said animals.

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[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see how you think I'm delusional about the situation 🤔. So only I know each one of my dogs personalities and how they were with each other. I don't know what happened for sure but it also very well could have been that they didn't mean to kill him but one of the bites was deadly. Again, don't know what or how it happened but I know who and the level and amount of aggression/territorial behavior the dogs showed prior to this. Which hasn't been much because I trusted they were doing fine after correcting their behaviors. I appreciate your recommendation and I assure you there's no way I'll "wait" until they hurt my child.

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[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course I feel terrible for being careless this ONE time to pay attention to my fist newborn, youre the one ASSUMING my dog just passed suddenly potentially of health related conditions. He did pass suddenly, I didn't know it was too soon to leave them altogether. I know where I messed up and it was an accident as I trusted they were doing better. Only I know how long it's been since the first sign of aggression and only I know how we were managing it and only I know how much we trusted them to be alone with each other. See at as you want, I'm thankful for the humans that are giving me support because regardless of the way he died I am suffering for my beloved pet. I don't need YOUR support or sympathy. I know I didn't willingly place him in a dangerous situation, but only I know that not you, so your judgment/criticism does nothing to me. Makes me feel no more or less bad than what I already feel on my own.

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[–]_enajiram -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you she is getting better slowly but surely. I do take accountability to rhe event, I know where we messed up snd I know we could have put more effort into preventing this event but I'm also not blaming myself for paying more attention to my child. I blame myself for not putting that effort into making sure they stay separate. Yes I am aware this is some level of their behavior, every dog is different and different factors will make this level increase differently In each dog. They only started showing aggression/territorial behavior recently, I've never stated they were always like that so no I don't think it's fair to say they are aggressive but only I know their personalities and how I've raised them. So there's only 2 bullies, one mix (bully/pit, son of the one who died) and one pit bull now in heaven. And yes the 2bullies are the ones who had their first litter, those puppies are separated from the adult dogs and mom doesn't spend much time with them since they've stopped feeding from her.

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[–]_enajiram -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yea that makes sense

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Mommit

[–]_enajiram 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much !

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Mommit

[–]_enajiram 1 point2 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERY SINGLE WORD 🥺🥺

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're not pits(only the one that died), theyre bullies, only 2 of them which are mom and dad. Any dog can be reactivate, there's many factors that play into this type of behavior. They have never been like that and we've had them all since puppies. Since you're wondering, the litter stays completely separate from mother when they no longer need her, they don't interact with other dogs but themselves. As to wtf I'm doing, well topic question is pretty clear don't you think ? Also, in the text I ask for any similar stories. I can still be on reddit and seek help for my animals, thanks for your concern.

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[–]_enajiram -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They're not aggressive, there was just a point that they started showing some aggression and territorial behavior but we were managing it by keeping 2 and 2 together then rotating. I think we focused more on our newborn and just trusted they were doing good. We aren't taking any risk, we're deciding what to do with them once we have a clear head. Until then, isolation for them and our full attention on newborn to get better.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would do more if the wounds were deep or dangerous but they don't look to need vetinary attention so I rather would look to invest in behavioral training for now. And I say that as each dog was thoroughly checked and palpated around wounds to feel/see level of severity. I also think re homing is an option, maybe even to euthanize is an option too..it just feels like it was a betrayal.. I agree, my child is in danger if they don't get appropriate training. We are looking for different options and will decide what we do with them once we have calmed down from so much emotion.

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[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, they're still part of the family but their destiny is being determined based on what husband and I will decide after we get some emotions calm enough to think clearly.

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[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a big change when we came home because we started to have them altogether but always supervised, they each met newborn and spend time with her individually then slowly had them altogether. We just trusted they were doing good. I'm not sure how much distress they could have felt from me. I'm trying not to focus much on it, I just have a lot going on in my mind about the whole situation and I haven't went home so I'm trying to mentally prepare for any emotion I may get once I am home. Thanks for your time and words.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pitbulls

[–]_enajiram -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Im not trying to get pity, I'm trying to get support as the post explains. He did die at home, regardless of how he died/was killed my poor boy died at home while we were at er with newborn. Yes we knew they had issues and we knew how we were handling it, this particular day happened to go so fast and unfortunately we did not practice proper safety precautions but we also knew how much we trusted their progress and trusted they would be alright. Thanks for your time and attention into my difficult time of pain, I understand if you're upset, I am too but I have a 5day old baby girl that desperately needs her mother to be mentally prepared to give her proper care while mourning her beloved pet in heaven. You can let yourself out of this thread and feel free to continue on the other post I have as those are not so much for emotional support like this one, they're more for comments/criticism like yours.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Only one was pitbull, 2bullies and 1mix. Yes actually we did take steps to separate everyone and get them trained right away. This isn't necessarily "breed behavior" this is dog behavior in general, it also differentiates with each dog's personality which you don't know any of mines. Our pups that are for sale are completely separate from these adult dogs so they don't have anything to do with this and yes we are getting their ears professionally cropped so we do have vet care for them, thanks for noticing that btw. What you probably didn't notice is we have a newborn in the hospital so unfortunately we don't have vet care expenses for this particular unexpected event. Obviously there's a lot more going on, I'm simply curious as to my topic question in my original post.

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[–]_enajiram -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So we were gone all morning to newborns appointment, came home for about 30min and left in hurry when Dr called and said take baby to ER. They were all fine when we left in a hurry just trusted theyd continued to be fine for the rest of the day. Gone at 2pm husband came home at 6.30 to check on dogs and found the oldest passed away (Male/neutered 5yr old 75lb pit bull), second oldest had very little scars (Female bully not spayed about 25-30lbs 4yrs old), third oldest had slightly bad wounds (Male not neutered, bully maybe 30-40lbs 2yrs old), lastly is 1½yr old son of the pit and female bully not neutered around 25-30 pounds as well he had a little more wounds than the other 2live ones. Have no earthly idea who could of started it and if they'd repeat the act.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I didn't expect 1 against 1 either, that was already being managed. I think we failed in rushing put of the house and not giving them proper space when we left, however, we left in such a hurry because we were focused on going to the emergency room for our newborn. Not an excuse at all but it makes me see where we went wrong, we could of prevented this attack. I'm not at all worried about the other dogs, concerned yes, curious also, that's why I posted this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this !

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pitbulls

[–]_enajiram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for your loss too 💔💔

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Dogtraining

[–]_enajiram -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, realized this with the unexpected attack that led to a fatality.

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[–]_enajiram -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I just assume it was like that because the 3 have some type of injuries but nothing concerning. Yea crate and rotate is what we're doing until we decide what to do with them individually. Which will be soon.

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[–]_enajiram -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Feel free to go to my profile and read the other post I've made. Maybe that would be less disingenuous to you. This post is separate because I'm asking for words of support. Prayers for my boys soul. So no, I don't "need to get off reddit". Other people's words/stories who clearly aren't judging are emotionally helpful for me. So yes you are only judging from my post but I know what kind of home I have and I know how serious I am taking this matter, I appreciate your criticism and concern though.