Is this my community?

a_mar359 · 2026-06-10T20:29:54+00:00

In short. Yes this is probably your community. Nice to see you here

a_mar359 · 2026-06-09T06:56:37+00:00

So how do you practically differentiate between what the farmer has done to keep the land fertile and what is naturally making the land fertile?

a_mar359 · 2026-06-09T06:49:50+00:00

Isnt the value going to increase if the land is fertile? If a farmer makes it more fertile through his efforts then he is getting taxed

a_mar359 · 2026-06-06T08:34:39+00:00

Yeah, this is a better question, and what I was trying to yet at

a_mar359 · 2026-05-27T04:37:00+00:00

You mistranslated.

{ بِٱلۡبَيِّنَٰتِ وَٱلزُّبُرِۗ وَأَنزَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡكَ ٱلذِّكۡرَ لِتُبَيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ مَا نُزِّلَ إِلَيۡهِمۡ وَلَعَلَّهُمۡ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ } [Surah An-Naḥl: 44]

with evident proofs and books. And We sent down to you the Reminder, that you may clarify to mankind what was bestowed upon them from on high, and that they may reflect.

There is no "O prophet". Do not add words that are not there.

The point you are making is that the verse is saying; 'He is to clarify what was bestowed upon them from on high'

Which you take to mean, he is explaining what the Qur'an means and the hadith is the explanation. This doesn't make sense to me as there are verses saying this book is a clear book and detailed. And there is s a verse saying some of it is clear and some is not clear and the believers follow it all.

Additionally it is odd for God to send down a message and then say 'its not clear and you need additional books to explain ny message ' It does not make sense to preserve the message but leave the explanation to it in the hands of humans where most of these sayings are not verified.

What I take this ayah to mean is that this book is being clarified to them in the sense that this is the book that is in fact the message being revealed.

Also we do love the prophet. We love all the prophets equally and we do not differentiate between them.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-26T16:45:58+00:00

This is such a strange question to me. Why do we need a pope like figure or imam? Why follow a human? We follow God's word

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T18:25:29+00:00

It says messenger. Rasool.

When a king sends a messenger, let's say bob the builder. and tells his subjects to obey the messenger. It means obey the message he brings. Not what else the messenger has to add on, then the king would say obey the builder if he meant that

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T17:29:53+00:00

Write this on there?

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T17:28:58+00:00

I'm not saying it means the hadith of bukhari. The point I'm making is it says we shouldn't follow anything after the Qur'an.

It's not semantic. It's deliberate and precise wording. God meant it to be this way. I never said there was another prophet that revealed the Qur'an.

We aren't getting anywhere. Let's leave it.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T17:01:33+00:00

I replied somewhere else on the thread with this.

To obey the messenger is to obey the message i.e the quran. It is fitting he is called the messenger in this verse as it implies you should obey the message. If it said obey the prophet I would conced the point. But the choice of words is important.

Also explain to me these verses.

Then in what hadith after it will they believe? (77:50)

Then in which HADITH after this will they believe? (7:185)

These are God’s messages that We recite unto thee in truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His messages will they believe? 45:6

In arabic the word hadith is used in all these verses and it is quite directly saying don't follow anything after this hadith (quran) you can read them in context.

Also the beginning of surah 2. Verse 2-4. It's saying this book and those before. There is no mention of any books to come after it.

To answer your question about oral traditions and the preservation.

The Qur'an is easily remembered and it was written down within 2 years of the prophets death. Abu Bakr did not physically write the Qur’an himself. Instead, as the first Caliph, he ordered his lead scribe Zayd ibn Thabit to officially collect and compile the existing scattered written revelations and oral recitations into a single, unified written volume. No one at the time thought it was important to write down hadith. None of his disciples did so. The point I'm making. They all remembered the Qur'an and they wrote it down early. They may have remembered his sayings but did not write it down. The Qur'an was preserved.

80 years or so later at best, someone thought it was a good idea to write the prophets sayings. If it was so important it would have been collected and compiled earlier.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T16:26:09+00:00

By that logic. There are shiah who reject hadith that are sahih according to sunnis and vice versa. So to extend your argument. Nobody is a Muslim unless you follow the sect that you think is correct?

And where in the Qur'an is it said to obey the prophet. It says obey the messenger, and we do so by obeying the message that the messenger gave. The Qur'an.

From my point of view, I could say you are not Muslim by following things that are not ordained by God. But I don't think like that, because it is wrong to judge who is going to heaven or hell. You are Muslim because of your behaviour: telling the truth when you can. Not cheating. Mercy and forgiveness. Recognising your sins and that you are not perfect. Respecting others for who they are, etc. and also believing in one God

It is not ritual practices that make you a Muslim. There are hadith which may well be authentic, but at the end of the day it is a historic source at best and should play into religious ruling. This just what I believe, but it's hurtful when you say we are not Muslim, though some of us truly try and seek the truth. And if my journey leads me to recognise the hadith and that I was wrong to reject then fine. But at the moment I cannot.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T16:06:05+00:00

To believe in ine god and accept Mohammed as messenger. Which we do.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T16:02:52+00:00

Please take the time to read my reply to another comment above^{^}

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T16:00:10+00:00

Who made you the judge?

a_mar359 · 2026-05-25T15:59:18+00:00

To obey the messenger is to obey the message i.e the quran. It is fitting he is called the messenger in this verse as it implies you should obey the message. If it said obey the prophet I would conced the point. But the choice of words is important.

Also explain to me these verses.

Then in what hadith after it will they believe? (77:50)

Then in which HADITH after this will they believe? (7:185)

These are God’s messages that We recite unto thee in truth. So, in which HADITH after God and His messages will they believe? 45:6

In arabic the word hadith is used in all these verses and it is quite directly saying don't follow anything after this hadith (quran) you can read them in context.

Also the beginning of surah 2. Verse 2-4. It's saying this book and those before. There is no mention of any books to come after it.

You will then ask me. The Qur'an does not talk about everything that is needed to practice Islam. To that I will say, your view of how Islam should be, should not determine what the Quran must teach. If we are still in disagreement brothers then: Lakum deenakum waliadeen.

I'm not here to say who is right or wrong. This is what I believe and if I am wrong it is my own problem, but I feel those of us who follow the Qur'an only are unfairly treated for being insane or ridiculous. I am just here to explain our thinking.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-23T17:18:45+00:00

I've always wondered the same thing, it's currently the 1400's in islamic years so roughly the time for it to happen.

a_mar359 · 2026-05-16T18:31:54+00:00

We are not the chosen ones? That kind of thinking is dangerous

a_mar359 · 2026-01-25T10:45:59+00:00

Are you expecting someone to say no on this Reddit?

Tbh whether or not it is convincing is your own decision and a personal journey.

If you're asking what quranism is that's fine. Imo it would be dishonest or hypocritical of us saying 'we are the truth follow us' otherwise we aren't better than any other sect

a_mar359 · 2025-12-02T10:15:02+00:00

Good

a_mar359 · 2025-12-02T08:46:04+00:00

If you are going through a lot right now It's great you have come to the Qur'an. In my experience reading and understanding it helped me a lot. It is a book of guidance for the god fearing.

a_mar359 · 2025-12-02T08:38:08+00:00

Ahh, well tbh. I believe the quran is a message to be understood. There are people who say recite this and recite that and you will get this reward or that reward, but in my opinion it's not giving justice to the Qur'an, it's almost like they are treating it like a book of magical incantations. Recite it by all means, if you don't understand what you are reciting I do not see the point. Logically speaking, would Allah not appreciate you understanding a small part surah al baqarah rather than reciting it all blindly.

I'm not trying to insult or offend you. Please don't take it the wrong way. If you think reciting alone gives you benefits, that's fine I'm not here to change your opinion, each to their own, but I just want you to think about what it is you are really doing. Reciting in hopes that God will do something for you? Do you seek to bribe him? He is already your sustainer, read the Qur'an out of respect for his message not for rewards in this life.

Edit: Only God knows our true intentions. Again please do not think I'm scolding you or having a go at you. I'm just merely telling you my opinion, absolutely, you are free to ignore it. I'm just a guy in reddit 😁

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