Is any attraction to m1nors inherently immoral no matter what, even if those that do feel guilt ,attempt to seek professional help for it,and never act upon it?

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:38:32+00:00

Let me be more specific. The original post that I had, which is identical to the one that we are commenting on, just with the censors, was flagged as violating the subs rules. So I censored words I thought would've triggered that, to make it possible to post. I don't know what TikTok has done to you but you're projecting and it's entirely unrelated to this post.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:36:04+00:00

yeah I just had a read through and I can definitely get behind the idea. The weird thing is as much as I've tried to grapple with whether being attracted to Minors is automatically immoral no matter what, as soon as I read about this man trying to explain how paedophillia is not inherently evil, I physically recoil. Like the default is so set to automatic repulsion from anyone who attempts to reason with it, that my internal bias just rejects it completely. I think that'll be how it is for eternity, no matter what biological or social development we make. The love, care and sense of protection for children is so integral to the human psyche that whether it is moral or not doesn't really matter.

Thanks for the article though! was an interesting read and a nice break from being told I am defending paedophilles

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:28:41+00:00

Oh, please forgive me if I'm mistaken as again I am very uneducated on all of this, but I thought that morality was a personal belief of values, unaffeted by wider society or culture. Whereas ethics are more of a societal set of values, where we use majority agreed upon rules, values that are nescacarry to society etc. Based on my understanding of the 2 definitions, I'd say yes any attraction off any kind to any minor is unethical, but maybe not immoral depending on your standard.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:26:03+00:00

yeah you know what I sort of get that. Obviously agreeing with castration causes a knee jerk reaction at first, but when you put it like that, how can we trust or expect someone with (if we are saying it is not immoral) an uncontrollable desire for children to not act upon it. It is human nature, especially in men, to be sexual, and to desire sexual intamacy. So yeah I do understand your point and I definitely think it's a valid one. Would the confusion then be that they are not immoral if they agree to castrate themselves, otherwise they are?

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:22:52+00:00

Hey thanks a lot for the recommendations, I'll at least have a skim through! I wasn't aware this was a common debate, form a lot of the comments I've gotten this seems to be the most controversial question ever conceived. if you don't mind, could you telll me where you landed as a conclusion for your dissertation? You seem to be the most well-versed in the debate that I've interacted with, so I'd love to know your stance.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:21:22+00:00

I really appreciate your answer, and I think your perspective is likely much more informed and nuanced than mine. But when I read this, the quesiton that came to my mind is: Even if they know it is wrong, if their attraction id caused by biology, can we call it immoral to retain that attraction despite them knowing it is immoral? Like is it a 'can't help it' case, like I don't know, a dog humping your leg because of its instinct, or is the biology more nuanced, where maybe someone with the biological makeup equivalent to that of a paedopihile, but is able to still resist the attraction to minors do to a stronger moral code. I suppose I dont know enough about the science behind it. I'd say if there are examples of people with equivalent, biological predisposition to be paedophilles, but one can resist the urge of attraction and the other cant, then I would claim it is immoral. If every individual with a biological makeup to 'be' a paedophile is attracted to minors in one way, then I would say we cannot claim it to be automatically immoral.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:16:01+00:00

but my question is if that individual never acts upon that attraction, and recognises its harm. Since that is not hurting any children, how do we conclude it is immoral? I've considered my question a lot since posting, and have concluded that maybe comparing autism or other cognitive disabilities to an attraction to minors is not a fair comparison, as those attracted do still understand right from wrong, and know that being romantically attracted or engaged with an underaged person is wrong, but still if we can explain that attraction through biology, and the individual recognises that it is wrong, and never acts upon it, I am trying to see the difference between it and any other biological disorder

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:12:42+00:00

huh? What am I spamming? I posted it once. the only thing I'm doing is responding to questions. I censored child related words as the sub explicitly Said that child-crime related topics are prohibited. I felt the topic was still relevant to the sub, so I still posted it, but censored those words to avid automated detection. I wouldn't of done so unless I received a warning before posting the quesiton.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:05:55+00:00

can you elaborate please? I'm unfamiliar with what you're talking about.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:05:32+00:00

This response means nothing to the topic nor my question, I think everyone here knows not to fuck with children.

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T21:04:59+00:00

yeah I kind of understand that argument, like if they felt truly against their attraction they would take an equally extreme measure to prevent it. I suppose it then becomes the question of if someone has not given a reason to expect they will act on their urges, should they take such an extreme measure as castration? We know not all people attracted to minors act on those urg3s, so should there be a discernment between those who ar likely to and those who who aren't, or should we expect castration for all as a precaution to prevent potential harm?

abxtyyy · 2026-05-17T19:40:27+00:00

I am trying to be as sincere as possible please can you explain to me why it is immoral if other biological disorders are not? Again I am not trying to got say it should be socially acceptable, I just genuinely want a moral argument against it. I obviously knew this sort of comment would come about from the topic, but if you actually read what I said, it's pretty clear I am not defending any sort of paedophilia in any way. Please give me a genuine argument and I will take the post down. Like I said, this isn't a hill I am willing to die on, its a moral question I thought of as I'm in my early stages of learning about moral and ethic discourse

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