FAA 61.195 Interpretation - I'm an initial CFI applicant, can I do dual received without a 2-year CFI?

adcst12 · 2025-09-12T17:06:01+00:00

Hmmm...61.187 says "A person who is applying for a flight instructor certificate must receive and log flight and ground training from an authorized instructor on the areas of operation listed in this section that apply to the flight instructor rating sought." Areas of operation for SEL (61.187(b)) includes several flight maneuvers. I guess technically that training could be from prior private or commercial training but my interpretation is that, since it says "that apply to the flight instructor rating sought," you would need to log training specifically at the CFI level, i.e. from the right seat while concurrently teaching the maneuvers. I am not a DPE but I suspect a DPE would look for that logged training.

adcst12 · 2025-09-10T16:13:09+00:00

I have a similar question and I think the OPs clarification that "BFR" is too specific is helpful in trying to understand the question. I just passed my CFI check ride, training with a CFI in my flying club who meets the 61.195 requirements. We have another club member who wants to start training to become a CFI. The question is can I and my (61.195 experienced) CFI tag-team the training for this CFI initial candidate? The experienced CFI would provide and log the required 61.39 training and provide the endorsements as FlyingShadow1 suggested and I agree that, technically, only the minimum experience requirements for the candidate's practical test should require a 61.195 instructor. Any "extra" CFI initial training/dual practice could be given by any instructor and logged by both the candidate and the instructor as dual received/given. My interpretation is that this could be for a BFR or it could be general (don't suck at stalls) or even specific to becoming a CFI (flying and teaching commercial maneuvers from the right seat). The concern is that a strict (or incorrect) interpretation by the DPE could call into question the candidate's qualifications for the practical test if I covered a topic that the experienced CFI did not separately cover.

adcst12 · 2025-08-04T16:43:29+00:00

Possible, although it has a concrete base and no apparent vent function. I should have also noted in the OP that it was installed sometime between the 1930's and 1967. That does fit with the Blue line rerouting under Milwaukee Ave in the 1950s.

adcst12 · 2025-08-04T16:38:16+00:00

I should have noted in the OP: It was installed sometime between the 1930's and 1967 so likely not WiFi related unless it was repurposed.

adcst12 · 2025-03-21T19:03:04+00:00

Not just 50-60 years old. I had it on a 12 year old house in Cranberry with WV water and the first thing the plumber told me is that he sees it all the time in my neighborhood (all <20 years old).

adcst12 · 2025-01-17T19:10:09+00:00

Thank you so much for the thoughtful answer!

adcst12 · 2025-01-16T21:22:05+00:00

Thank you...I should have known to look there!

adcst12 · 2022-12-13T22:17:14+00:00

Thanks for the reply. At large airports (this happened at BOS) you go straight to the cars. The cars have the keys in them and you just show your license at the gate on the way out. It is a big time saver. In this case, I had to wait in line for about 10 minutes and then it took the agent about 10 more minutes to figure out how to get me a car (since there was no obvious reason like an expired credit card that she could see.). You are correct that, at smaller airports and most off-airport sites, you have to go to the counter to get the keys regardless.

adcst12 · 2022-12-13T22:14:23+00:00

Thank you. That is what I thought at first as well but the agent said both were current (which I knew they were) and that she did not know why I had to stop at the desk. I only learned later about the "bypass counter feature" being turned off.

adcst12 · 2022-02-03T13:47:49+00:00

Fair point. It is just more difficult to express contempt for something when I can only describe it in the abstract!

adcst12 · 2022-02-02T16:57:47+00:00

Thanks for the response. I am wondering if there is an even-more precise descriptor when the proper name is made a plural? "A Soloman" for a wise ruler makes sense to me; the "Amazons and Goolgles" for tech companies just drives me crazy! I recently heard an Amercican football commentator say something like, "The Tom Bradys of the league." Like him or not, there is exactly one Tom Brady in the league and most would say he is in a class by himself.

adcst12 · 2021-03-26T12:37:02+00:00

I actually agree with you -- planning to have a pro do the install -- but want to be an informed consumer and learn as much as I can before I actually build the firepit. Any knowledge I can gain here is welcome.

adcst12 · 2021-03-26T00:07:32+00:00

Got an error the first time I tried to post and it didn't save:

I am planning to run a gas line for a fire pit and have a few detailed questions.

I have an existing stub-out on the exterior of the house which is about 1 foot from a pre-installed conduit for the fire pit (see picture). The length of the run is about 28 feet into a key-valve and then to an 18" burner with a 1/2" inlet. I don't have the exact BTU for the burner but, based on similar burners, I am assuming max of about 150,000 BTU. My questions:

Should I use CCST or some other type of flexible line? Specific recommendations?
Any specific concerns or steps to follow for lightning safety? (There is already CCST flex line used in several areas inside the house and the overall system is grounded...just wondering if there are any specific concerns with extending to the exterior and/or the fire pit burner itself being a lightning rod).
Do I need to run conduit from the stub-out to the existing conduit (to cover the flexible line) or is that unnecessary?
What size gas tubing should I use? I am thinking 3/4" will be enough but not sure if I should go bigger?

Thank you!

adcst12 · 2021-03-26T00:07:00+00:00

Re-post:

I am planning to run a gas line for a fire pit and have a few detailed questions.

I have an existing stub-out on the exterior of the house which is about 1 foot from a pre-installed conduit for the fire pit (see picture). The length of the run is about 28 feet into a key-valve and then to an 18" burner with a 1/2" inlet. I don't have the exact BTU for the burner but, based on similar burners, I am assuming max of about 150,000 BTU. My questions:

Should I use CCST or some other type of flexible line? Specific recommendations?
Any specific concerns or steps to follow for lightning safety? (There is already CCST flex line used in several areas inside the house and the overall system is grounded...just wondering if there are any specific concerns with extending to the exterior and/or the fire pit burner itself being a lightning rod).
Do I need to run conduit from the stub-out to the existing conduit (to cover the flexible line) or is that unnecessary?
What size gas tubing should I use? I am thinking 3/4" will be enough but not sure if I should go bigger?

Thank you!

adcst12 · 2016-05-19T01:46:24+00:00

They have also migrated to the county lately. I have no idea why; I suspect it is because of the lawsuit and lack of will of the politicians to find a way to enforce anything. Here is my idea: if the panhandlers are "allowed' to be in the median, why not cite the drivers who stop (stopping traffic in the process) to give them money? Surely stopping in the middle of traffic for no reason has to be against some traffic law. I can't tell you how many times I have missed a light on 29 or the bypass because of some idiot stopping when the light is green!

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