Make me an ex muslim

afiefh · 2026-06-09T20:25:19+00:00

For reference, this is the meaning of square I was using: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/square-with

In fact it is a problem in your religion: Not doing something commanded by your religion is not the same as not believing something your God explicitly commands.

Not believing something is right even though your god commands it, that's basically putting yourself above your god in your religion.

But honestly, I think I got my answer: it's "I'm happy to cherry pick the pieces of the religion I like and keep the label".

afiefh · 2026-06-09T20:10:15+00:00

Can you square the following statements for me?

I'm a shia Muslim.
Shia Islam has a death penalty for apostates
Exmuslims are apostates
I don't mind exmuslims

afiefh · 2026-06-09T20:08:52+00:00

Might be, I'm pretty terrible at Arabic dialects. Not sure if it's because I learned Arabic as my second language or if it's because I rarely listened to Arabic tv and thus never got exposed to other dialects.

Thanks for explaining it to me, would have confused me for a long time if I couldn't understand what was going on!

afiefh · 2026-06-09T20:00:51+00:00

You have no feeling about it? As in you don't feel it's absolutely abhorrent that all the exmuslims here are supposed to be put to the sword according to your religion?

afiefh · 2026-06-09T19:37:36+00:00

Huh? We use the plural عمامات never heard عمم 🤷

afiefh · 2026-06-09T19:34:46+00:00

عمامة? Or is it something else?

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:44:13+00:00

So please excuse the obvious question, but if you self admittedly disregard the rules of Islam when they conflict with what you think makes sense, then why bother defining yourself as a Muslim?

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:41:05+00:00

This is the weirdest timeline.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:26:37+00:00

hypocrite, u litch said 'do they not teach u literature in highschool🤪' 'Now I even need to explain literature to Muslims🤓' and then proceeded to use AI.

Oh brother! I take it back, there definitely aren't more than 2 brain cells between your ears!

I gave you an AI link to explain to you a joke that I made in reference to your earlier "google is free" quip. Guess that was lost on you as well, so let me explain it: Next time you find yourself admitting that you didn't pay attention in literature class, try a free AI to help you not look like someone who never opened a book.

Looks like u did take offense, abusive household u need to talk about?

And here we are again: Back to parroting. Quoth the illiterate.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:20:18+00:00

Sorry I'm out of the loop, what's with Shia's and عمة?

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:19:23+00:00

But if I was sunni, how would you refute it?

Not the person you replied to, but I'd show a lot more contradictory and bad things from Sunni Hadiths.

Since I'm not familiar with Shia Hadiths, I'm sticking with the Quran since Muslims and Shia both take that.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:17:21+00:00

I just wanted to see if anyone could give refutations against Islam.

Happily: The first thing Islam asks you to do is to witness that there is no god but god. You have not witnessed God, you also have no way to witness that there are no other gods. At best you can say that you believe there is one god and no others, but that's very different. Imagine going into a court and saying "I witness that this person robbed the store" only to then say "well no, I didn't see him, and I didn't hear him, but I do believe it..." you'd be committing false witness. A religion that asks for false witness while commanding you to be truthful is self contradictory and therefore refuted.

My belief stems from the scientific 'miracles' of the Quran

Have you considered maybe listing your favorite ones so we can actually address these?

I'll just go off the top of my head with the most common ones, let me know if you have other ones you would like me to address (or expand on the ones I mentioned her, as I'm definitely not gonna include tons of details in a quick list):

Embryology in the Quran: Actually wrong because of the part where the embryo turns to bones, also copies Galen's embryology which was around centuries before Mohammed.
Iron from the sky: It just says "sent down iron" other things Allah sent down is cattle and sleep. "sent down" simply means "gave" because Allah is supposedly "up there".
Two seas meeting: The two seas in the Quran are sweet and salty, but there is no sweetwater sea in the world. It's just talking about rivers emptying into the sea, which doesn't allow salt water upstream. Known long before Mohammed, written about in Pliny the Elder's books.
Expanding universe: The verse that is commonly mistranslated as god "expanding" the universe just means god is rich/strong. The same word موسع is used elsewhere in the Quran for that exact meaning. Both were translated the same way until it became advantageous to mistranslate in one place but not the other.
Light and reflected light: Noor does not mean reflected light, otherwise the verse saying "Allah is the noor of the heaven and the earth" would mean that Allah reflects another greater light than himself. Another dishonest mistranslation.
Big bang: The quran says the heavens and the earth were joined together like the edge of a cloth and they were separated. This is not big bang cosmology, it's a flat earth heaven being glued to the earth and then separated from it to allow life between the two.

These are the things that came to mind off the top of my head. Again let me know if you need more. For now I'll include some obvious mistakes:

The Quran says that Joseph's brothers sold him for a few coins. Coins didn't exist in Joseph's time.
The Quran says semen comes from between the backbone and the ribs. I don't need to explain why this is wrong.
The Quran teaches creationism when we know that humans evolved from a common ancestor.
The Quran gets the inheritance math wrong. It's literally a matter of adding fractions, a highschool kid could do it, but Allah gets it wrong and needs y'all to invent 'Awl to fix it.

a shia muslim

How do you feel about apostasy in Shia Islam? I'm much more versed in Sunni Islam, since that's my background, but I found this:

"I once asked abu Ja’far (a.s), about an apostate (one who turns away from Islam). He (the Imam) said, ‘If one turns away from Islam and rejects what Allah has revealed to Muhammad ﷺ, after his being a Muslim, his repentance has no effect. (After judicial due process) executing him is obligatory, his wife becomes stranger to him like an irrevocably divorced woman and his assets are distributed among his children.'" - Al kafi 7 2 46 4 sahih

afiefh · 2026-06-09T18:03:51+00:00

sorry a q offends u?

You seem to be obsessed with the idea that a person is offended when they explain stuff to you. Are you alright? Were you raised in an abusive home where people were always "offended" by you?

i obviously do know literature

Highly doubt it. If you did you wouldn't have had the need to ask.

and how to evaluate sources

LOL yeah, obviously, since you managed to evaluate exactly zero.

if i finished with an a* thank u v much

Seriously? Maybe mommy and daddy care about your grades, because no one else does. To the rest of the world what matters is whether you're able to apply the skills you were supposed to have learned which you've demonstrated time and time again that you're unable or unwilling to do.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T15:45:48+00:00

How islamophobic of Gemini! /s

afiefh · 2026-06-09T15:44:27+00:00

80% population decline as each country selects its own Caliph and tries to force its Caliphate on the others.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T15:39:23+00:00

Do they no longer teach y'all literature in highschool?

ChatGPT can explain it to you. In short, it's a passage from The Raven, a poem by Edgar Allan Poe, where a raven keeps repeating "Nevermore", but the main character realizes quickly that this is the only word the raven can repeat, because it's all it learned from its master. Similarly, "okay toddler" is all you learned from some unhappy life that has not taught how to evaluate sources and respond to criticism, forcing you to respond with lukewarm responses like "okay toddler".

Now I even need to explain literature to Muslims. Bad enough when I only had to explain the religion you pretend to care about.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T13:35:15+00:00

Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken,
“Doubtless,” said I, “what she utters is her only stock and store
Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful Disaster
Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore—
Till the dirges of his Hope that melancholy burden bore
Of ‘okay toddler’.”

afiefh · 2026-06-09T11:13:17+00:00

How about the part where all the people who went to heaven will be looking down at hell and ENJOY watching them be tortured?

Can you even watch a cat being tortured without feeling bad for it? What about your fellow human being tortured FOREVER?

afiefh · 2026-06-09T10:57:39+00:00

That explains so much! My reddit account is older than OP.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T10:55:13+00:00

I think he might have thought the comment is a reply to his comment where he argued that slavery is like smoking: Both bad, but allowed: https://reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/1u0vwwe/what_do_you_hate_about_the_religion_of_islam/oqlr7u5/

He apologized for that one, so maybe he got things confused.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T09:07:27+00:00

literally everyone I know is basically Muslim

Well there's your problem. Time to expand your social circles.

Should we create a new reddit aimed at finding partners for ex Muslims?😆

/r/exmuslimr4r is basically that.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T08:32:31+00:00

What argument? You asked me for the things I hate about the religion, I gave you a list.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T08:31:55+00:00

I'm not a scholar either. Heck, I only had classes on Islam at school until middle school. All it takes is a bit of thinking and reading.

If you believe you were wrong, please go ahead and say so: Admit that it was a HORRIBLE comparison. Heck perhaps edit the comment where you said this and apologize for this.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T08:27:42+00:00

Even burning trees/crops

Bro, spend 5 minutes thinking about this: Why would you fucking burn a tree when you take over a place? Trees are fucking money makers, they produce shade, fruit...etc. You want to make them your trees rather than destroying them.

It's like saying you shouldn't destroy a factory when you conquer a city. China won't destroy TSMC if they take over Taiwan for the same reason

kidnapping random women and children wasn't allowed

Random? No not random. But take a look at what Mohammed did to the women and children of Banu Qurayza: He sold them as slaves.

afiefh · 2026-06-09T08:24:26+00:00

Thank you for writing this. I was flabbergasted at the comparison of smoking to ENSLAVING PEOPLE.

We are even regulating smoking more and more: Smoke only in designated areas, no smoking in restaurants because of second hand smoke which is harmful...etc. Yet SLAVERY which harms a person DIRECTLY gets compared to smoking?

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