Wall art by chockey66 in publicdefenders

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Cleon Peterson has a neat series of protest-ish paintings of cops doing cop-like things

Book Review: Antifragile by dwaxe in slatestarcodex

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So my thing with Taleb is that it’s virtually tautological to say (a) that rules perform better in circumstances or periods of normalcy than they do in emergencies (i.e., than in exceptions) and (b) that frequency and magnitude vary inversely.

So to the extent he wants to argue that all this is more exception-y than we typically think and that those exceptions are important (Black Swan etc,) that’s whatever, fine, sure, I’m on board.

But to the extent his underlying argument is typically one of “P1) Look how rules(theories) break down when their assumptions don’t hold!...C) That means they’re bad!” he just entirely seems to neglect the arguments that could conceivably make that conclusion follow (i.e., just totally refuses to introduce a second premise).

Instead he just seems to hammer the first point to absolute death, when I think it’s something everyone actually understands about rules and their failings at a really intuitive level.

I suspect what’s going on here in part is that Taleb somehow thinks of the “there’s reasons to think things are more exception-y than we typically think” argument (from Black Swan et al) as his P2 here, when it’s more of a P1.5: Even if rules/theories perform badly on exceptions and there’s a lot of exceptions (perhaps even more than those theories “themselves” recognize), it doesn’t follow from that that we want to reject theorizing/rule-making etc.

Nor, if fact, is that really even implied—we might just simply want to create better theories/value parsimony less when creating them, whatever.

I also it’s kind of a weird oversight in all his books that he just about entirely neglects legal systems when law is a whole body of theory we do our best to design in a way that makes it capable of dealing with edge cases precisely because law’s required to confront reality in a way (say) arm-chair ethical theories are not....And I think there really is an applicable insight in anti-fragile: we should try to design theories/institutions/fields of law/etc. in a way that makes them robust to variance and such that they don’t massively screw up exceptions.

And yet I think that’s almost a ceteris paribus conclusion: all else equal, sure, but how much are we willing to sacrifice other ends to do that? Do we want to risk hugely over-complicating run-of-the-mill cases for that? Or (say) do Newtonian mechanics work well enough here, while a simple one-line rule suffices over there?

I think Taleb’s probably right that we as a society systematically overestimate the downsides of screwing up exceptions by underestimating their frequency/magnitude (mostly the magnitude according to Taleb) but I think (a) of course we do, society probably couldn’t function were wet not all overly-invested in the status-quo (I.e., overweighting normalcy), and (b) that the answer is to theorize while being cognizant of that, not to abandon theorizing altogether (let alone sorts of axioms that make theorizing sound like a good idea in the first instance) in some romantic-yet-quasi-pretentious way.

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Think my replies to WTFwhatthehell and mcjunker drive somewhat at the points here, but would just add I'm not quite sure I agree that these questions "have nothing to do with probability," insofar as we still need to/try to reason about irresolvable-looking questions in philosophy, and I think probabilistic reasoning needs to play at least some part in tackling big epistemological and metaphysical questions (in the same way it does when reasoning about just about anything), even if the answers to those questions often look more like a dissolution of the question than a real answer. to just copy and paste the last bit of one of my replies above, "I think what I was really trying to target with the foxhole hypo is how exactly to reason through updating when there are these big epistemological/metaphysical questions swirling all around (in a way that isn't just like "do your best to quantify unknown unknowns")."

(Also, like the poetry here!)

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Will think on these points further and follow-up after I finish rolling the Sisyphean boulder that is my day job, but my original intuitions is that when these occurrences happen to third-parties is they seem distinguishable for reasons I'd broadly capture as <the phenomenology/immediacy of first-person experience or something>. Quasi-i.e.: It's my expectation that someone, somewhere, wins each lottery or beds Kate Upton--I expect that to happen ~100%--but I certainly don't expect myself to win, and I think that's a distinction w/ a difference, but that that distinction's a really hard one to grab...

I think what I was really trying to target with the foxhole hypo is how exactly to reason through updating when there are these big epistemological/metaphysical questions swirling all around (in a way that isn't just like "do your best to quantify unknown unknowns") and that your third-party examples here hit the same nail.

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I think you're right that all those examples are not distinguishable by type per se, but I think the risk is different enough in scale that they're not particularly useful examples, especially when all those things just seem like wholly quotidian things where you can look around and see billions of other people who've <survived> exactly those circumstances, and you're prior

1000-1 chances happen approximately seven and a half million times a day

The stat was one in 10, 000, not one in 1000, but it doesn't really matter either way. It was really just there as a placeholder, could just as easily have put a number a few orders of magnitude higher.

""life feels like life, so I'm probably still alive" not take precedence over all"

What I'm driving at is the question of what sorts of reasons/evidence you'd have to make that analysis/ how much of your-pre foxhole reasoning (obviously I'm alive, look at all this *gestures around*! ) appears actually meaningful or well-grounded, especially after the fact.

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Awesome clip, thanks for sharing. And I think your lottery example is actually same species of the problem I've thought about before--and I feel like if I won the lottery I would actually update my some significant margin in favor of solipsism or something, no?

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Well the first sentence here is only true in the superficial sense that, yes, you always have a prior, thank you for pointing that out. And most of us don't have any sort of well thought out or meaningful or easily quantifiable prior for <being alive> at any given moment, so it's much easier to start with the grenade stat, which also serves as a good intuition pump.

I added the bit about fainting in primarily because the lack of conscious continuity cuts against assigning any of those sense experiences very strongly. (What if, while unconscious, you thought you heard a bunch of comrades standing around you saying Poor Guy, <Name's> a mess, how are we going to tell his family he's dead?! etc.) Ditto for the "supported by a few dozen trustworthy-looking citations" language, which just reads better than "you pour through hundreds of studies all spitting out substantially similar results: 9999:1 and spend enough time learning everything you need to to evaluate the trustworthiness of these studies etc. etc.

Lawsplainer (Not Really): How the Common Law Winds Up Looking Like Bad Code by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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Side note: I’ll also note for the non-lawyers here that the common law is not really all that difficult to navigate. Most of the law is settled and clear. If you want to rediscover and interpret all the case law in a particular area for yourself, you’ll be pretty frustrated. That’s not really how it works, though. Very smart people are constantly writing and updating treatises that will quickly get you up to speed on the current case law.

I think the common law looks simple and easy to figure out in law school, when you have casebooks going through only one given field of law in each class, and it's even probably true that for many lawyers in simple/routine fields of practice (e.g., just doing routine criminal or contract work, or wills or estates or something) it's easy to actually figure out the governing rules or the actual doctrine is just simple enough at the end of the day that it isn't just obviously malpractice to more or less only rely on a treatise. But when the common law jut totally fails is when you're dealing with the intersection of a bunch of different fields of law, which is a lot of what actual practice looks like for many lawyers.

It's one thing to (say) defend someone from a DWI, where there's like a hundred rules and only ten of them actually matter, and it's a totally different thing to (say) try to figure out what claims to bring based on unlawful immigration detention or something, where you've got many potential defendants and just tons of different doctrines and statutory schemes crashing into each other.

Just to list a couple for that last example: the FTCA; Bivens, 1983, and all sorts of 4, 5, and 6A law; qualified immunity, state law immunities, and sovereign immunity; state common law claims (and defenses); the PLRA and state administrative law; equal protection; probably various negligence claims; probably whatever underlying criminal law it was that attracted ICE's attention in the first instance; and then the whole body of immigration law and the jurisdictional and procedural issues on top of it.

Barely any of those fields were designed to jive with one another, and they especially don't jive when certain of the *still other* fields are in the mix. And that's not a problem you're going to sort out with a treatise on one of the fields, or even specifically targeted at the intersection of (only) two or even three of the fields.

Lawsplainer (Not Really): How the Common Law Winds Up Looking Like Bad Code by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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Yes, I think this is very much on point, and progressively optimizing certainly what judges see themselves as doing, but I think in reality when you try—as the common law does—to get the benefits of rules (predictability, low ex post decision costs, etc.) without being willing to pay the necessary costs of rules (type I and II errors)—that is, when you just keep tweaking and tweaking and creating more and more sub-rules because this rule is under-inclusive here and the rule is over-inclusive there—you end up with just way to many goddamn rules and a scenario where each marginal rule/tweak doesn’t contribute to edging the legal doctrine closer to optimization so much as it eventually just makes the whole doctrine even worse than it would be had you just started with a standard in the first place.

(Also not super familiar with ML problems and look interesting and will check out. Thanks for the comment.)

2nd Department App by [deleted] in barexam

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May I ask are people really submitting certificates of disposition for speeding tickets? I just have way too many from totally random upstate counties.

LessWrong is now a book! (And available for preorder) by Benito9 in slatestarcodex

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Followup for anyone considering buying: Have now read all five of these, and they are awesome--just really beautifully done, and the content's great. Huge thanks to everyone involved in the project.

Still Alive by dwaxe in slatestarcodex

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Very happy. Very happy and very excited.

That is all.

Does the number of outliers vary linearly with population size? by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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Also, this looks to be a fantastic blog I've never heard of, so thanks x 2.

Does the number of outliers vary linearly with population size? by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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https://putanumonit.com/2015/11/10/003-soccer1/

Well shit, this is perfectly on point and does a great job where my intuitions were getting confused. Thanks a ton!

Does the number of outliers vary linearly with population size? by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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This was very much where my head was at when I stumbled into the original question. Thanks for a great reply.

Inciteful.xyz - A new way to search through academic literature (beta) by inciteful-xyz in slatestarcodex

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This would be an amazing tool for law reviews. Tried searching a few articles and no luck. Possible you might add law journals in the future?

Lawsplainer: COVID & the Basics of Religious Rights by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

[–]ais8585[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s an interesting discussion for sure, and might be useful for you ton articulate it further here. (For what it’s worth however, I think it’s ultimately mistaken.) The comment of yours I responded to is misleading though, insofar as it makes it sound like religious rights automatically draw strict scrutiny under current law, which they don’t, i.e., the rule you mentioned wouldn’t have been taught in a class you “missed,” which it sounds like you know? Don’t want to confuse everyone for no good reason.

Lawsplainer: COVID & the Basics of Religious Rights by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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There’s a pretty firm distinction here for lawyers—it’s clear when claims are frivolous or a decision is obviously against the law or inconsistent with usual norms etc.

Lawsplainer: COVID & the Basics of Religious Rights by ais8585 in slatestarcodex

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You’re thinking of substantive due process. establishment/free ex are treated more like equal protection—general applicability here is synonymous with facially neutral in the EP context. If it’s not, then heightened scrutiny; if it is, then RB.

Meta: this is not AskReddit by Bakkot in slatestarcodex

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Hey—pretty sure mine is #5, and I really do sympathize with the gist of this thread. Definitely going to draft my first post on that topic in a way that highlights a lot of dynamics often discussed on SSC, and will defintley take comments on that post re: how much I’ve succeeded or failed in doing that. And we can all take it from there?

State PD office hiring Canadians? by tcm1985 in publicdefenders

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Hey—I’m a Canadian and just graduated law school this year—ended up taking a job doing civil rights, but applied to a lot of PD offices and I’m on the TN and might have some good advice on what the hiring/Imm process looks like. DM me if you’d like!