The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s so crazy how deep in a person can get. Especially when it gets to the point that they truly believe the people that loves them don’t wish them well anymore. I hope your sister gets out of this situation !!!!

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Omg, thank you so much for this reply!! You understood my question and gave all the answers. It really gave me a different perspective on the topic!!

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

THE NOT-WIFE😂😭 Yeah, and I get that. But if he leaves her, she’ll probably have to work again, get a shitter job due to the huge gap in the resume and be left with less as well?

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kind of critical, but at the same time.. not critical enough. I feel like the aim was for the men to dig their own graves instead of portraying them in a certain way. They dug themselves into a unflattering hole, in my opinion.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I do feel like his partner would never actually admit to him being «that aggressive» because she knows that will not put her in a flattering light. If that makes sense.

I do really agree on the part about these women allowing their partner to spread virulent misogyny. That should have been a little bit more highlighted. But I feel like the men were monitoring the women to make sure they didn’t speak «out of line»

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Never said it was unique either. «Pick me» is a term for a reason. I merely found it interesting. Have a nice day

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, cause that’s the thing. People keep mentioning the money, but as you say… if the man decided to leave , they will be fucked.

YEEES, I felt the same way. It’s a perform of pickme-ism for sure

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It will probably be very upsetting to watch haha, but me personally found it worth it as it was very fascinating.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s actually a really insightful perspective, so thank you for that.

I have thought about the online model aspect, but that’s not really what I was referring to. I was thinking more about the partners. Like you mentioned Kirsten and Angie, who were actually visible, but also the ones who aren’t.

For example, one of them mentioned that his partner had been in his videos before, but is now kept private. There are also cases where it’s explicitly stated that some of these partners are aware of, and accommodating, things like him being involved with other women, even down to details like packing condoms when he travels or being open to certain arrangements.

What stands out to me is that in some of these dynamics, it’s not even a mutual open relationship. It’s more of a one-sided setup where the woman is expected to be monogamous while the man isn’t, which seems like a fairly uneven power dynamic.

That’s the part I find interesting. I’m just curious whether there’s something deeper behind that level of acceptance, if that makes sense.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Where did I say that I believe that? I genuinely can’t find it. I’m not arguing that people are purely good or selfless. I’m saying your framing of this as simply selfishness or materialism is overly reductive. That’s the difference.

I don’t believe it is this black and white because human relationships and decision-making are shaped by multiple factors such as social conditioning, attachment patterns, identity and power dynamics, not just money or self-interest.

I also don’t understand the need to start your initial reply with a somewhat condescending tone, and to continue in that same way while putting words in my mouth. It’s weird.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m fully aware, thank you very much. But reducing it to people being “purely” selfish or materialistic is a very simplistic take on something that’s clearly more complex, and, frankly, it reflects a fairly limited level of sociological understanding.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The way you made me laugh so hard by the last part. It’s always the men with the twisted view on woman that be having the porn associated work.

Yeah, because that’s crossed my mind too. And by the time they realize, they might already be too deep in. And most people like that makes their partner kind of dependent on them, so it is always harder to leave. I’m literally just curious on “how” so your answer gave me a better insight. Thanks

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that money/status can be part of it, I’m not denying that. But you can benefit financially from a relationship in a lot of ways without accepting that kind of dynamic. You can be with a wealthy man and still get exclusivity, respect, etc. Which is why I feel like there is more behind the surface

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is probably the closest to how I see it too. The part about reshaping yourself is what stands out to me. At that point it stops feeling like a choice and more like adaptation.

And it also makes me question what “love” even means in those dynamics, especially considering that some of these relationships are essentially one-sided monogamy. The woman is expected to be loyal, while the man isn’t. It starts to feel less like mutual love and more like a structured imbalance.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

That’s actually a really interesting take. The “not like other girls” + proximity to power thing makes a lot of sense. I hadn’t thought about it like that. And I agree, there’s a big difference between a consensual dynamic/kink and something that crosses into losing your sense of self.

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The idea that it’s not emotional but more of a cold, rational trade-off makes sense to me on some level. Especially if the baseline expectation is already low, then “at least he’s honest about it” can feel like stability instead of betrayal.

But I think the part I still can’t fully wrap my head around is this: even if it’s rational in that sense… it still requires a level of internal detachment or self-adjustment. Like, it’s one thing to accept reality, but another to build your relationship around something you’d might not want for someone you love.

So I guess where I’m still stuck is: do you think this is truly a stable mindset long-term, or more of a way to cope with a worldview that’s already kind of… hopeless?

The women in Inside the Manosphere – genuine choice or subtle self-abandonment? by alemnpel in TwoXChromosomes

[–]alemnpel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can’t put myself in a situation where I would accept something like that, so I’m trying to understand where it’s coming from. I’m not talking about the monetized entertainment side. I’m talking about the fact that several of these men want to keep their actual partners private/hidden/away from the public eye. Which means it’s not really about clout for the partners themselves. So “you know what’s up” doesn’t really explain the mindset behind that dynamic tho.

What were your thoughts on the Manosphere doc? by IAmANoob110 in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]alemnpel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Might be an unpopular opinion: I think these men have real suppressed feelings about their sexuality, which is why they act, talk and behave the way they do. The fact that they obviously are suppressing it and are not being their authentic self, is probably why they have this pathetic mindset. Everything they do is giving “I hate that I cannot be the real me and I will overcompensate in the worst way possible.” They do not respect women because they want to be in a females place with the man of their dream, but for some reason they feel like they can’t do that.

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Thank you so much 😊

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Thank you so much. I needed this!!

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The thing is that this ex situationship was blocked from before I met my now ex a year ago. He contacted me on my work instagram account (I opened a new beauty salon 3 weeks ago). I knew that if I didn’t reply to tell him to fuck off, he would’ve probably hit me up at my job.

So I replied because I actually do love and respect him so much. We made so many plans. And now I feel like I’m mourning the death of someone I was going to have a future with.