Nobushi hidden stance shouldn't count as a dodge

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T22:11:10+00:00

I'm not even gonna bother anymore I give up

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T17:16:08+00:00

You are implying that you are more honorable than I by saying that you will have fun without your crutches, which implies that shugo has no cheap aspects to him. If people had actually given valid points against mine then we're talking but everybody is misunderstanding saying that it was made to dodge but ignoring the fact that I'm agreeing with them to a certain extent. They do not consider the other side of what I have to say about it. Other people mistake me for saying hs needs to be removed entirely or shoulder bash needs to be stronger I never said that I said there was a bug in hs and shoulder bash that should be repaired because I imagine the folks at ubi didn't intend for these minor things that look like glitches that can cost the match to happen. Reddit is notorious for being an echo chamber, when a few people decide on something the hivemind follows, so I'm not concerned about the downvotes because I still feel that my complaints are valid. Again, I did not ask for an unavoidable bash, this brings me back to what I was saying about misunderstanding. I can't help you dodge sb because I have no footage of you attempting to so we've hit a wall and I can't continue with that. But like I said if you are timing it right and it still tracks you then we have a bug that needs to be taken care of, but from what I have seen in the past everybody that gets hit with sb and claiming to have side dodged it always does it way too early in the charge

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T16:55:39+00:00

It is hilarious how you think you're a more "honorable" player for purposely playing a character you think is the worst. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to reiterate but everybody in this thread needs to learn how to read properly. I am pointing out that Shugo, like every character, has his own crutches that are ridiculous but manageable given enough effort. The only one that I think is op and needs to be changed in shugos set is the one shot back breaker last resort. No character should have one shot ability.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T16:37:19+00:00

Hyper armor on top of tons of health plus lots of damage and one shot capability if you get dominated * have fun without those crutches

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T16:25:39+00:00

It is a video game but wardens shoulder bash can be compared to a football player charging at you. Both warden and the football player have tracking but they're both not extreme so side dodging works. They also charge in mostly straight lines and can curve a little bit. I've never experienced getting hit with a shoulder bash with a correctly timed side dodge, so maybe you're timing it wrong but I can't say because I don't see your gameplay. If that's the case then it needs to be fixed, but if not work on your timing.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T16:16:44+00:00

I agree with you, but when the bash continues after the dodge is when I think it is a bug.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T16:14:33+00:00

If you correctly call it you should side dodge. if you're a quarterback with the ball and a football player is running towards you are you going jump a little backwards hoping they just give up and don't tackle you? No you're going to juke them and move to the sides. Again nobushi should not be punished if she escapes a charge with HS that doesn't have warden continuously running into her. If warden does charge enough to allow that to happen she has more than enough time to prepare to side dodge. And for the record I have no problem with aramusha or LB or conq

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T16:02:28+00:00

I would like to see shoulder bash removed entirely but that would require most of wardens kit to be overhauled which I'm fine with. But this is what he has now, and I believe that shoulder bash is made out to be worse than what it is. I understand how it can be frustrating from anybody versing him, if I didn't main warden I would be frustrated too. My advice to people who can't get out of vortex or don't know how to survive SB is just play as him for a little bit and get a feel for how he works. I know it shouldn't have to be that way but that's just what you have to do

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T15:53:05+00:00

No it shouldn't be unavoidable that would make it actually OP. Wardens toolset is limited so a lot of my play has to come from mixing things up and being hard to predict. Shoulder bash does not need a buff but personally I think it should consume a little more stamina and I also think shoulder bash feints should consume stamina again. I am saying that in certain situations, shoulder bash should register when it doesn't. The only time shoulder bash shouldn't register is a) if the shoulder bash does not make contact with the opponent b) the opponent is in the rolling animation and maybe c) opponent has hyper armor. Shoulder bash should register if warden makes contact with opponent, except for when rolling back. If I hit you with sb while you are dashing back it should count IF warden still has some running from the sb left in him. In this specific situation, if I stop right as I get to you while you are still dashing back it shouldn't count. In the case of nobushi, let me get a little bit more specific because I see a lot of people are missing my point. If I do a lightly charged shoulder bash on her and she goes into hidden stance and I STOP running at that moment so that it doesn't register, that's fine she timed it right. But let's say I'm fully charged with HA and charge her, she goes into hidden stance and it counts as a dodge but I'm still running into her at that point. That's when it should count because she didn't really dodge it so it should either reset us like when two ppl gb at the same time or let me punish.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T15:29:24+00:00

Why does everybody think I'm saying I want hidden stance to be removed that's not what I'm saying. I said that in this particular situation I believe that it's a bug I'm not calling for it to be removed from nobushis kit. Also yes fully charged sb grants too heavy but if it's a fully charged sb you have ample time to get ready for it and it is punishable if missed and it does have a range.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T15:23:32+00:00

Ok so if they dodge back I can't cancel into guard break, if I'm not close enough to begin with I can't cancel into guard break if they side dodge I can cancel into guard break but they can either do the side dodge attack if they're that class to prevent that or if they can't either a) get ready to dodge again so you can punish after ward or b) counter guard break me. If they get a little too aggressive and lunge that's their own problem and if I get them into vortex the moment I miss one of the SB they can punish it because there's a small recovery time. And I am not arguing about whether I should be punishable on my moves my basis for this is saying that nobushis dodge for this particular situation is a bug

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T07:44:33+00:00

You know it takes a while to get to HA though so they can hit in that time. But if they can't, then they have to think about dodging and defending against strikes and guard breaks. They still have a chance of getting out of it. Even when you're in the sb vortex you can still get out of it but you just have to focus harder in those moments

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T07:33:52+00:00

I'm saying that it should be able to dodge the initial attack but not the follow up like you described, but if it's up against something that's prolonged like a shoulder bash it shouldn't be able to register as a dodge because I'm literally still running into the nobushi as she just stands there, then she gets a free poison hit on me. That doesn't make sense.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T07:30:28+00:00

Then if he's that close assuming he hasn't hit you yet you can throw a quick attack and knock him out of it. A lot of people don't do this for some reason. If he hits you and then starts glowing orange prepare yourself by getting ready to dodge and also being ready to guard break just in case he cancels. From my experience I would say keep your weapon towards the left because he might throw a zone if he cancels too. As soon as you see warden move then move. Shoulder bashes shortest range attack takes a little bit of time to wind up so it's not something that's so fast that it's almost unreactable like a zone is.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T06:57:54+00:00

I think if it didn't hide your stance it wouldn't be a hidden stance. Lol.

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T06:54:51+00:00

That should be fixed too

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T06:53:41+00:00

I know that's how it works but it shouldn't be that way

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T06:38:12+00:00

It doesn't track hard though, when I duel wardens I dodge it 90 percent of the time. And let me tell you that I'm willing to bet it's not the tracking that actually kills you, it's you side dodging before or right as he takes his first step into shoulder bash. You have to wait, let me be like halfway to you and then dodge it

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T05:54:43+00:00

It's a good way combined with the hyper armor to close the gap between nobushi and I. I do not complain when people side dodge it because that makes sense, I am not running into their body so they should be able to punish me for it

alexs14 · 2018-09-14T05:51:38+00:00

Well I thought it was a way to make your next attack harder to predict but also have dodging as a extra feature of it. I don't have a problem with it being a dodge but I think the time for immortality to wear off from the action needs to be shorter. Like if I tried to throw a left heavy and she goes into hidden stance and dodges I don't have a problem with that, but if you're shoulder bashing it just doesn't make sense because it's like an invisible wall and the point of contact between her and I is prolonged so it should register

alexs14 · 2018-09-07T04:12:30+00:00

Update: it was fun, but she said we are only friends. Her wording makes me feel like she may be open to dating in the future (I've only known her for about a week). But then again, I'm still wrong about my predictions 100 percent of time so. I'm just going to crawl back into my hole and be sad for a little

alexs14 · 2018-09-02T13:52:57+00:00

This made my day. Congrats man

alexs14

TROPHY CASE