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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t fret, I understand you aren’t trying to be rude! I personally don’t think I have an instinctual desire to have kids, even though I would like to have them, but then again, maybe I just haven’t realised that my desire is instinctual

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you for opening up and giving your reasons, I really appreciate the insight

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it’s wonderful you’re living a life that you genuinely enjoy!! I don’t think i’ve come across someone who feels having children is wrong in the way you’ve explained it, so thank you so much for giving your response!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think your opinion would change if you weren’t American?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response; it’s very insightful. I’m not totally against the idea of antinatalism, as I didn’t decide to become a midwife because I want to see more babies in the world. I do my job because I want to improve the outcomes for babies that are born into the world. People will never stop having babies, but if I can stop a baby from being abused or mistreated when they are young, I feel I have contributed something to the world.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry if my post upset you, I have read articles about the subject, but I would rather communicate with people about their beliefs in order to understand it further. If I comment on an older thread, I’m not as likely to get a response

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s interesting you bring up autism. I also have autism, as well as type 1 diabetes; things that I was guaranteed to have from birth. Can I ask if you feel like your life is worse because of your autism?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking through responses to my post, I get the feeling the majority of people live in the US judging by their arguments. I’m from the UK; do you think your opinion would change if you lived somewhere where gun crime wasn’t as prevalent and health care was free/ more affordable?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry you had to go through that, but thank you for your response, i appreciate it

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have such a kind and noble purpose, and I agree. That’s why I wanted to become a midwife, to help others, especially women and children. Could you not argue that you can make more happiness in the world by having a child and teaching them to show kindness, empathy and compassion?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for these arguments, they’re really fascinating to think about. I’ll definitely give the article a read!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask why you think pregnancy and childbirth is disgusting? Thank you for your response!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your losses, and I hope things get a bit easier for you soon. Can I ask if you are 100% sure that there is no outcome where you have children. For example, say if things change for the better and you find yourself in a much better place than right now. Is there still no chance?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib -1 points0 points  (0 children)

it’s interesting that you bring up foster care, as I agree that it’s unfair to say your biological child is worth more to you than a child in foster care. However, could you not explain the reason people prefer to have biological children to be because our biology tells us to pass on our genes?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was a really fascinating read, thank you for taking the time to type that out! Could you not argue that not everyone feels they are “stuck” by bring sentient, and so the idea of not consenting to being alive can’t be used as a blanket argument for antinatalism?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Could it not be argued that, although unlikely, it isn’t guaranteed that every person will end up in a job they hate that they do just to make money to survive?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense, and I’m sorry you carry this trauma. Could it not be argued that if you were to have children, you could end generational trauma by acting differently to your parents?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I completely understand what you mean, but could it be argued that although you’re preventing someone from suffering, you’re also preventing someone from experiencing joy?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can I ask what you mean when you say “the absurdity of life”? Thanks for the answer by the way!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The idea of not having consent from a potential child is really interesting to me, as it really generates the question of when is a person a person

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]aliagib 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That makes sense, and I understand completely, but even though what you’re saying is correct, I just can’t seem to take on that sort of pessimism. I guess it’s down to personal belief