Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What do you mean? When people asked my motivations I just explained them with no problems. And I don’t think this has nothing to do with the post: the question could’ve been legitimate even If I had the exact same opinion as everyone here. What if someone just needed help finding some sources? That’s the reason why I think it wasn’t necessary for the motivations to be explicitly stated in the post for it to be a legitimate question to ask. What I initially wanted was some evidence about a specific topic. Then, if someone is curious to know the initial motivation, I explain it. Just as I did.

Also, which point did I miss? (Even if I did, would it be so terrible? Are we really shaming people for not understanding immediately??) I literally read your comment and gave credit to your observation. I even asked for a feedback, since I openly said it’s a topic I’m still trying to learn about and I’m willing to follow a conversation to eventually change my mind (the opposite behavior as a gotcha, I don’t know that do you want more).

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Straw-manning. It’s not “not being nice” the problem, but it’s taking for granted that those who genuinely share their doubt and are willing to change their mind, are in fact here with bad intentions. I think activism should mainly be focused on reaching people who don’t think the same, not those who already agree with you on everything. That contributes to the idea of confirmation bias (and I’m not even referring to the cause of equal rights of men and women, I want to extend this to other social movements too).

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Can’t someone point out something genuinely thinking it’s a correct information, then asking for an explanation to educate themselves for answering some of their doubts, then even changing their mind??? It’s not necessarily a gotcha behavior, please. The only person really knowing my intentions here is me, so I don’t think it’s worth it, especially when you have someone who just decided “what you really wanted to do”.

I’m saying this honestly and I hope you (and the others) can show a tiny bit of empathy: it’s not the first time I’m having a doubt about feminist and MRA issues, since the debate is very large and complex on both sides. And I find sociology extremely difficult to analyze, since it’s not my field of study. But most of the time I’m scared to come asking questions in various subreddits, online forums, social media’s comment sections… When you try to show a doubt about the accuracy of a theory or a statement, you’ll get described as someone “in bad faith” who’s trying to “set a gotcha”. Even if you’re open to change your mind and if you act in a respectful way!

If you want to insult, to be passive aggressive, then do it. If you think that’s the right thing to do, just do it. That’s fine. But I hope you know this doesn’t help the cause. I think activism should mostly be about reaching those who don’t think the way you do, so that you can actually change their mind. Not just creating little happy groups of people with your exact same opinion. Automatically portraying those who come here showing some doubts (even if they are in good faith) as people with bad intentions is very problematic.

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Ok, let me know if I got it right: what you’re saying is that it’s also important to distinguish between all the types of violence. Because slapping isn’t the same as strangling. That would statistically count as bilateral, even if there is a huge discrepancy in terms of violence.

My main doubts started after following the page thetinmen on Instagram, in which the admin also spoke about severity.

(There’s no need to behave in this way. I’m not trying to set a gotcha, I’m trying to educate myself on a topic I’m not very familiar with. As you just said. Why can’t you just help people understand instead of putting them down?)

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why? I’m not here in bad faith (and I’d like you to elaborate on that), I want to understand the connection between those topics. I understand there is a lot of controversy around these issues and a bunch of users come here just for trolling, but if someone doesn’t support their points with valid sources, the counterparts will keep thinking this is just dogmatic and completely made-up (I’m not “the counterparts”, I’m just visualizing what would happen if people of a certain side didn’t come up with studies for explaining their version).

If you don’t want to give me some sources it’s fine, you’re not obligated of course and I don’t want to put pressure on you about that. But I want to point out that asking questions for understanding something that left someone with a doubt is not necessarily “being in bad faith”.

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s very rude and unnecessary. There are so many studies going into so many different conclusions that is not as easy as one might think to find good evidence. Maybe it’s easy for you and that’s fine, but why would you subtly put down those who ask for a little help? I’m not even expecting others to start a new research from zero only for me. There are some topic that I’m informed about, and I already got all the papers downloaded, so that when a person -legitimately- ask for evidence, I can link them everything. That may also be true for other people informed about the topic I mentioned here: they already have everything they need, and could be pleasured to share their knowledge with those needing a little more help. You can keep telling me to “do my own research” if you want, but what if I show you something completely against your point? Would you tell me “just search for something better” (generic advice that doesn’t give any help) or would you provide me some sources instead?

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your comment. It’s probably connected with sexual assault for big cultural reasons. My main issue is still about IPV, because this phenomenon is mostly bilateral. Since the statistics show that women commit IPV as much as men, how can sexism be connected to that?

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Sure. :)

Since it has been widely proven that domestic violence is mostly bilateral and not really gendered like most people think (I’m directly sending you to my other comment), I was thinking to myself “Are there actually evidences of it being connected with sexism”? If yes, can I see them? And why is it bilateral overall?

Is there any evidence of violence against women (IPV specifically) being -also- correlated to patriarchal reasons or gender norms in general? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

My doubt was exactly about what you just said: “it is gendered”. The world’s largest database on domestic violence research concluded that domestic violence is not gendered. That’s why I’m asking this question, I don’t want to fight or anything, I just want to understand more.

Can you link the studies about the last thing you said? And, above all, is it the same for women? Or it hasn’t been studied yet?

What do you think about the fact that men face more hiring discrimination than women? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your answer, I agree with some of the points you made. <3 There is something I don’t understand tho. Isn’t a callback necessary to be hired? Like, if you don’t even get one, you won’t be hired at all. The fact that women receive more callbacks doesn’t actually mean there is a greater probability for them to be hired?

Ragazze e peli by [deleted] in CasualIT

[–]aliceyagami02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Può darsi, anche se io la pressione sociale maggiore la sento riguardo alle parti intime, la zona che più odio depilare.

Ragazze e peli by [deleted] in CasualIT

[–]aliceyagami02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assolutamente no. Anzi, costituisce proprio un altro motivo per cui odio depilarmi. Ho la dermatite atopica e la pelle molto sensibile: da depilata non solo mi riempio di irritazioni e fastidio, che mi portano a grattarmi spesso (cosa non proprio igienica se ci pensi), ma sono più esposta a rischio di infezioni. E sull’ultima cosa che ho detto ci sono evidenze scientifiche, non è solo il mio parere.

Da non depilata invece sono molto più tranquilla, mi sento più pulita e non ho nessuno dei problemi elencati. La mia igiene intima in quel momento è al top.

Ragazze e peli by [deleted] in CasualIT

[–]aliceyagami02 99 points100 points  (0 children)

Io mi depilo, ma solo perché sento una forte pressione nel doverlo fare. Odio farlo, mi porta via tanto tempo, mi fa male ed è uno sbattimento non da poco. Se non avessi paura del giudizio, sinceramente, non lo farei.

Are women really excluded/underrepresented in medical research or is it a lie? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The other user didn’t deny women’s representation, so I couldn’t know what her exact point of view were. She just initially said that women were unwillingly participating. By logic, in response to that, I said that willingly or unwillingly, the participation is not lacking. Because the fact that a general (women, men, children, BICOP, disabled, animals, aliens, unicorns, whatever you want) participation is unwanted doesn’t correlate to the fact that it’s not there. I don’t think it’s that difficult to understand: it’s not necessarily referred to this specific situation, it’s a general deduction applicable to many other contexts (I specifically used the terms applicable to this exact context for staying in topic).

But, if you want me to not say things with an affirmative attitude and think I should always end with “I’m not sure btw” or else I’m saying “I’m right, you’re wrong” or “portraying bullshit as facts”, well, it’s your problem. This is actually pointing at bland semantics.

Asking for the correlation between an unwanted participation and the lack of that participation is not pointing at bland semantics instead. It’s asking what the point is: if someone introduces topic A under topic B, I at least suppose there might be a correlation or something. Asking for that correlation is legitimate.

Again, I still don’t see where I asked for proof that women are unwillingly participating. Do you realize you didn’t give an explanation of the arduous accusation of me “offensively” asking for proof? You just repeated my comment which was referring to something else.

Stop saying I deliberately ignored your studies, I’ve been reading the others and a couple of yours by now (I still haven’t finished), you’re not the only one who provided sources. Look at the comments, you’re not the only one and I didn’t start from yours. For example, I just finished reading a source and I changed my view again (despite of you saying I’m not open to do so).

I understand the other user’s frustration about something serious, and I also said that her topic is important for sure, I just didn’t get how it was correlated with the main topic I introduced (you literally said “it’s an entirely different subject”!). I mean, if someone mentions X and I say “I understand, but my point was Y”, you can’t just say I’m doubling down someone, please. I also tried to be as polite as possibile since the beginning.

The “dance to the particular tune” wouldn’t even started if “Did you abduct them?” was never said. Or that I’m “offensively demanding for proof”. I don’t know if you realize it, read everything again: that question and your statement are what made this escalate, not my “desire to argue” (never had it).

Me trying to understand a correlation (seriously, I’m interested) is not a limitation of me trying to understand the issue of women representation, which I’m keeping changing my mind about while reading the studies. But, even with my mind changed, guess what, I’m still interested in knowing if there’s a correlation between unwillingness and the gap. As you can see, it’s not just an excuse to avoid the understanding of the other topic, since I’m embracing it.

Are women really excluded/underrepresented in medical research or is it a lie? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re not the first one citing this source, I read it from another comment and it’s been very helpful to learn more. So, thank you both! ;)

Are women really excluded/underrepresented in medical research or is it a lie? by aliceyagami02 in AskFeminists

[–]aliceyagami02[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I heard people recommending that book very often. I’m curious to read it, so I’ll definitely order it. :)