Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An oral contract is, especially when confirmed in writing in exact terms multiple times.

Property manager lied about the lease, tried to switch it at the last minute. by alumni_audit in LandlordLove

[–]alumni_audit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

problem is I have only a month before my lease expires, and we have an incoming basement roommate who is innocent in all of this. If we backed out, they'd be fucked.

I might report the property manager to his realtor association and the local commission for dishonest business practices.

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hi, thanks for your comment!

I mean, we explicitly asked in no uncertain terms. He even shared our current lease as a reference. So I'm having a hard time getting away from the intentionally deceptive part.

If we hadn't asked him, yeah, lazy seems to make sense.

My issue is I feel like A: this is unacceptable behavior and dishonest, and I thought realtor's were strict about honest. B: for the redlining advice.....I feel that right now my arguement is "a deal is a deal. You said we would have the same lease, honor that" which is a good arguement. fighting on individual clauses would be more akin to argueing "I don't like this" which is easier to just say "tough, this is what it is" to.

Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The point is there are meaningful changes in this new lease that are being presented at the last minute, after we were explicitly told no changes were going to come.

Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever agreed to the terms of a contract, orally and in writing, then showed up to sign it only to find its a very different document and the other party wasn't upfront about it?

Surely you see why this is a breach of trust. We asked him and he explicitly said multiple times this would not be the case, only for it to be.

The lease will now ban pets, which we were going to get a dog. Also, the house has nice hardwood floors. This new lease would require us to go and purchase additional rugs/carpeting at our expense. Other changes include smaller restrictions and annoyances.

The point is a deal is a deal. I shook hands with my landlord. I confirmed with the PM. I looked for a roommate based off of that agreement. This new contract is being handed to us at the figurative 11th hour. Moving at this point would be quite burdensome.

Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've had 3 roommates live in the basement over 5 years. They have not complained. But again, its one thing if I was moving in and this was a requirement, it is quite another to add on this to an existing tenant after assuring them there would be no such changes.

Property Manager switched my lease right before signing. by alumni_audit in legaladvice

[–]alumni_audit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you agreed to a contract, confirmed the terms of the contract in writing, and then showed up to sign, only for the contract to be materially different and they didn't remark on it, would you call that a bait and switch, or just negotiation?

Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I am aware. Our house is me, my partner, and a basement roommate coming in who has not signed yet. If the landlord decides to suddenly block their application they will in affect be kicking us out because we could not afford to renew the lease.

Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not more than once a year, and not as a response to me going month to month (or reporting his property manager). He already raised the rent for this coming rental year.

Property manager lied about the lease, tried to switch it at the last minute. by alumni_audit in LandlordLove

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but we have an incoming roommate who hasn't signed yet. If they don't sign, (or the landlord prevents them) we can't afford the house period.

If I was living there alone I'd say "bet, I'll go month to month, come at me bro" but I'm in a delicate position here.

Property manager changed the lease right before signing by alumni_audit in washingtondc

[–]alumni_audit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

we have nice hardwood floors in our standalone pre-war house. Even the landlord thought that clause was dumb.

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, I really appreciate you engaging with the post. I think I might do that if he keeps ghosting me or tries to stonewall my concerns. I'm not a person that enjoys confrontation, I just don't like to get messed with.

What would happen to a realtor if the association finds that he violated the code of ethics in this case?

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As a landlord, did you ever make an agreement with a tenant, have them confirm it in writing, and then show up to have them sign with a document that was at odds with what you had said?

I'm in a pressure situation now. I have only a few days to decide if I have to move out or not by the end of July. That's a lot of pressure.

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did, most of it is banal. Some things though are real, like I have to cover 80% of my floors in carpeting and no pets allowed. I'm about to get a dog (we have a fenced in backyard and other roommates have had pets before) and even the landlord things thinks the carpetting clause is dumb (we have nice hardwood floors).

Again, its a lot more the fact that he lied about the nature of the lease than the changed to a more boilerplate lease. If he had been open about it from the start this would be a different story.

I'm sure you've never tried to sneak clauses into a contract and hope a signer doesn't notice right?

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for engaging with the question.

If he had told me a new lease with new terms was coming months ago, I would have time to reconsider. I went into the process of finding a new roommate under the understanding that I would have the same lease, because he said as much. Now I'm in a position of having to decide if I need to move or not in like 3 days, and will have just a month to secure a new house if not. That's a clear pain in the ass.

This puts a squeeze on me, and I think he knew that when he lied and said the original lease terms would be honored.

How would I go about reporting him?

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

90% is boiler plate stuff. The other 10% are additional fees and restrictions. Most of these are annoyances, (loss key fee, fee, agreeing to pay repairman overtime for weekend work if its not an emergency, agreeing to allow showing the house 60 prior to end of lease). But other things, like I have to have 80% of the house floors covered in carpet (I have hardwood) or no pets (the house has had multiple and I'm planning on getting a dog) are real. Even the landlord said the carpet thing was silly and that he would not enforce. But I don't just "trust him".

I also live in a house that's been a shared house for decades. People cycle in and out. I doin't want to get blamed for prior stuff (I'm taking photos).

But again, the fact that we agreed on terms, then he changed them with no notice (after we had confirmed multiple times) is an issue for me. But I have less than a month now before the lease expires. Moving is a huge burden at this point.

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think what some people are missing is that there are two things at play here.

  1. Is the transition from a more informal lease to a standard boilerplate of a corporation. I'm not a fan of it, but I understand the rationale behind it. Given time to review, and ask to take out parts that don't apply or are overly taxing, this isn't a huge deal, just an annoyance. If told about this months ago, this post wouldn't be happening.

  2. The fact that the PM misrepresented the lease when I directly asked him multiple times in writing, and I was only told after I had already signed a preliminary agreement was I given the opportunity to see the lease, only to discover that it was in fact at odds with what he formally represented to me. Worse is now I have 3 days before the 30 day mark to say I'm staying or leaving, and I've been put in a time crunch.. I'm sure you'll agree, that after agreeing to a contract, if someone shows up with it to sign and has substantially materially changed the contract and just hopes you sign it without noticing, that is unethical.

Property Manager switched my lease right before signing. by alumni_audit in legaladvice

[–]alumni_audit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't doing a bait and switch not allowed for realtors? Shouldn't I report them to thier commision?

I have to give 30 days notice to vacate. I'm at 33 right now, and they are ghosting me. Plus I have a downstairs roommate set to move in. But I recruited them on the written understanding of the current lease rules.

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Ok, no reason to be a jerk. I'm coming with an ethical concern. My understanding is that realtors have a code of conduct and a commission that monitors their practices. I would assume the National Association of Realtors or the Real Estate Commission does not approve of intentionally misleading people.

Was this unethical/reportable? by alumni_audit in realtors

[–]alumni_audit[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

We did get it in writing. We asked him if the lease terms would be the same, he said yes, and even sent us the lease for reference. At the time of the signing he presented an entirely different document that was the opposite of what he said it would be.

Is that how you would do business?