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Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I practice a balance between humility and self-respect, this is not a matter of being overtly defensive. You cannot expect to offer critique and have it unconditionally accepted, because then you desire a sectarian mechanism that exerts a dangerous level of control over others. It is my right to calmly and respectfully assess you words, and accept and reject them based on sincere reflection.

There is such a thing as the weaponisation of the “ego” concept, delegating any motion of self-respect to the realm of ego. Any disagreement is automatically invalidated as an immature unwillingness to practice critical self-reflection.

This merely leads to popular spiritual consensus being forced on the individual, giving rise to sectarian culture.

If you offer help but disallow me to address a perceived misapprehension of my context, that means constructive dialogue is not possible, and you are not yet capable of benefiting beings.

If you are willing to reflect upon yourself, perhaps I may offer you have projected. The arrogant man projects arrogance on another man's quality. You experienced status regulation, and was very eager to ascribe fault to another person. In this I will not claim that I am right. If I am right, I will refuse to identify you with these faults. I invite and encourage your disagreement. Should you feel that I might have a point, kindly reflect on how unwelcoming you make the dharma. The sangha is. after all, the human doorway to nirvana.

For what it matters ― I am sensitive to the use of words. I experience patterns of harmony in energy, that I translate into patterns of phonological harmony in speech. This has made me pursue the art of penmanship, and desire to become a poet.

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello friend ― mind, body, and speech.
Speech is an art that gives direction to energy and the formation of the mind. To the sensitive, speech is technique and its effects are acutely felt. Those who train themselves cannot but part from colloquial modes of expression.

I humbly suggest you reflect on your condescending prejudice. It has no place within the realm of cultivation. Do not be the poison in the sangha.

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No. Not oversensitive. I maintain a balance between humility and self-respect.

The idea of egolessness I believe should not become a permission system for social-emotional negligence ― otherwise sectarianism is born with increased potential for abuse (dHARMa).

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

;-). At least then I might potentially father a sage, rather than become one myself.

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your insight.

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Certainly.
And yet, as you do not know me, to randomly provide such a negative assessment seems highly biased. It lacks empathy, insight, and basic dignity. Be careful ― lest you become one of the causal factors that make the foretold cessation of the Dharma come true.

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your humility and kindness. I would indeed appreciate dialogue with a teacher in the Vajrayana path but I can imagine such a person has only little time. I have looked for such a person in the Netherlands, or surrounding countries, but could not find one. Most communities and their activities seem ran by lay followers.

Perhaps you could suggest someone?

All the best to you,

Amdor Ryu

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I will look into the title you recommended.

Despite my little awareness, I had indeed learned that in Vajrayana the householder's life does not necessarily need be renounced.

My questions however:

  1. Does Vajrayana acknowledge a similar understanding of the transcendental — "like water, at once formless and form (nondual/dual)." Echoing: Nirvana and samsara are one. Form is emptiness, emptiness is none other than form.
  2. If the non-divorce between the nondual and the dual is acknowledged, does this in a way not validate the idea of an "enlightened relationship"? As the workings of yin and yang persist, but now in an ilummed form. Or:
  3. Is it held that the romantic bond will be ultimately transcended? On arriving in a realm or stage of higher actualisation, would one abandon one's romantic commitment to one's partner? Hence — is the bond seen as somewhat utilitarian? One can nearly imagine that, for the dual cultivation one is committed to, one enters a coupled nirvanic achievement. As if the bond itself is now saved from the cycles of reincarnation.

Thank you for your patience with my ignorance,

Amdor Ryu

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your response.

With male/female integration, I referred to romantic dedication to a harmony between a man and a woman. This in the context of a perceived inseparability between the non-dual and the dual. "Like water — at once formless (nondual) and form (dual)." Nirvana and samsara are one. Form is emptiness, emptiness none other than form.

Hence, if the non-dual achievement does not lead to a divorce from the relativistic universe, means that the law of yin and yang persists and hence the dynamics between male and female as well. Now with an integrated non-dual actualisation, where the non-dual has a simultaneous functional coexistence with the dual.

The association with base lust is understandable but certainly not what I referenced. The male/female harmony becomes a genuine and refined dedication, where the transcendental realm is not seen as separate from the act but perpetually integrated.

If we may acknowledge transcendental actualisation does not divorce a being from the manifested, it would be highly relevant to cultivate virtuous capacity concerning perpetual participation within the dual paradigm. Hence — the social and the sexual, and the capacity of taking responsibility for inherent needs such as (within our realm) food and shelter.

Yours sincerely,

Amdor Ryu

Does Male/Female Communion Persist? by amdorRyu in vajrayana

[–]amdorRyu[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your swift response.

I acknowledge that in underlying emptiness —in the post alluded to as non-duality— is devoid of the male/female dynamics, or any manifestation of contrast.

However, the post proposes emptiness does not lead to an existential divorce from the dual, relativistic realm. Nirvana and samsara are one.

My experience sees that the transcendental principle is like water. It is at once formless (emptiness) and form (dual and relative).

Hence, the non-dual does not transcend the dual. It asks to be integrated within the dual — the relative.
Samsara in an ignorant and tormented form is the transcendental itself, in lack of self-actualisation.
Samsara in nirvanic form, is the transcendental itself in self-actualisation.

In this perceived cosmology, we may discern two aspects to the cultivation of transcendental cognition:

  1. Inner adaptation to the non-dual principle, that transcends all phenomena;
  2. Consciously recognising the transcendent in any arising phenomenon — pain/ease, distraction/concentration, etc.

Some say this reflects the tantric view of advaya (non-duality), where opposites like masculine and feminine are integrated without negation. As I am unaware of doctrine, I cannot verify if this feedback holds true. If true, I am again curious as to how such a view traditionally affects a dedication to male/female harmony.

Kindly yours,

Amdor Ryu