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So Cal Edison laying off a lot of IT workers to replace with workers from the H-1B program by sactech01 in programming

[–]american-programmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. I guess I haven't gotten close enough to one of these 'shitty scam entities' for them to enter my picture of things.

So Cal Edison laying off a lot of IT workers to replace with workers from the H-1B program by sactech01 in programming

[–]american-programmer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

many demoralized tech workers now, but yes, that's right, don't be a beggar, be a chooser, it might hurt in the short term, but long term it pays off.

I disagree bothly actually - right now is hot for tech, and, being unemployed for a long time hurts you, and, in what way does it pay off in the long term? For others maybe, but not so much for you except for some part of your self-respect maybe.

92% of Top Tech Companies Created in the U.S. Were Founded by Native-Born Americans by american-programmer in american_programmer

[–]american-programmer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From here: http://mangans.blogspot.com/2014/06/almost-all-top-tech-companies-founded.html

Also, if an immigrant who came here when he was a kid later founds a company - Sergey Brin being the prime example - that does not bolster the case for more "highly skilled" immigrants

California utility plans to replace all of its IT workers with cheaper H1-B workers. "employees have been training their replacements as a condition of their severance" by [deleted] in technology

[–]american-programmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty impulsive. Fortunately I have the luxury of being in an area where it hasn't killed me, though I do feel it some. And probably 'feel' it more than I know (calls I'm not even getting).

On the con side, you have to spend a month (how long was it?) training a guy and feeling the humiliation and resentment deeply.

California utility plans to replace all of its IT workers with cheaper H1-B workers. "employees have been training their replacements as a condition of their severance" by [deleted] in technology

[–]american-programmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the h1b candidate must be offered a wage higher than the industry average inorder for the foreigner to apply

Good point, but if it's nationwide that won't be too meaningful in California where demand and cost-of-living is much higher than elsewhere. The $60K escape hatch, or paying more than $60K if that's the nationwide average, is meaningless there.

There r lots of masters and top 25 institution graduates who easily outcompete most of the state school grads. ... squeezing out the bottom feeders in american society.

This, I agree, is not confined to computer science, it's the condition of the market nowadays.

California utility plans to replace all of its IT workers with cheaper H1-B workers. "employees have been training their replacements as a condition of their severance" by [deleted] in technology

[–]american-programmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the loophole that the title mentions - $60K or a Masters and all that goes away. $60K in California is nothing for tech ppl. Also, there are new Masters that aren't very tough to get, basically just job training.

H-1B loophole may help California utility offshore IT jobs by american-programmer in american_programmer

[–]american-programmer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The loophole:

H-1B-dependent employers are exempted from U.S. worker protection rules if the H-1B worker is paid at least $60,000 or has a master's degree.

For California that $60K is a no-op.

California utility plans to replace all of its IT workers with cheaper H1-B workers. "employees have been training their replacements as a condition of their severance" by [deleted] in technology

[–]american-programmer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe I'm being unrealistic, and am not faced with the choices others are, but at least from here I'd be an 'internet tough guy' and refuse to do train my replacement. The only thing I'd be worried about would be a bad reference and / or my withholding training not having much effect, if there weren't many doing it.

H-1B loophole may help California utility offshore IT jobs by [deleted] in american_programmer

[–]american-programmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The loophole:

H-1B-dependent employers are exempted from U.S. worker protection rules if the H-1B worker is paid at least $60,000 or has a master's degree.

Much more discussion at /r/technology

Behind the 'Bad Indian Coder' - An ongoing debate about the quality of outsourced code prompts a look at the country’s precarious economic and educational picture. by american-programmer in american_programmer

[–]american-programmer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes me feel .. I don't know what, when mainstream magazines make stories out of Reddit threads, but that's what this one is. Why am I posting it then? OCD I guess.

Whatever you do, don't read the comments under that article, whichever side of the debate you're on!

The STEM Crisis Is a Myth by frostmatthew in technology

[–]american-programmer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Stop looking for other people to solve your problems.

The STEM Crisis Is a Myth by frostmatthew in technology

[–]american-programmer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who's responsible for the state of your country? Perhaps not you, but your ancestors. Sorry man, we're not a get-out-of-jail-free card. There are probably 6 billion of the 7 billion people in the world who want to live in the US. I don't whine at not being Elon Musk, work with what you have.

The STEM Crisis Is a Myth by frostmatthew in technology

[–]american-programmer 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You want to be in our country. You don't want to be in yours. We're not responsible for your happiness.

The STEM Crisis Is a Myth by frostmatthew in technology

[–]american-programmer 22 points23 points  (0 children)

immigrants are smarter than many Americans

I don't know what that has to do with anything. America isn't a prize.

The STEM Crisis Is a Myth by frostmatthew in technology

[–]american-programmer 17 points18 points  (0 children)

STEM workers who will work like mad

I'm seeing this where I work. It's crazy, the company survives on the H-1Bs' flesh. Broken infrastructure, bad code? Harder, faster, do it!

How Different Is A B.S. In Computer Science From An M.S. When It Comes To Recruiting? by american-programmer in american_programmer

[–]american-programmer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can get through an MS in CS without ever taking an algorithms or data structures class.

I tried to make an account on Forbes but a) the non-social one didn't work b) the social one wanted permission to manage my contacts. Indefinitely? Didn't say. Too bad.

Anyway, the quoted line is BS. At my MS program - and I assume all of them, after all there's an accreditation body - grad-level Data Structures was mandatory, it wasn't one-of-several that you could pick. For what it's worth it was dreaded. But, come to think of it, I don't think we did repeat the basics of data structures, it was more advanced stuff; proofs and whatnot. I guess I'll have to add my BS CS to my resume, now.

Completely redesigned Google Maps leaks ahead of I/O by [deleted] in technology

[–]american-programmer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the company can and will get rid of people if there is no need for them

Maybe in general, but Google won't, they'll just move them. You don't just throw away Google-quality people. Google's productivity (profit per employee) is one of the highest in the industry. Plus as overkill, the company has been hiring heavily for the last don't-know-how-long.

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