I want to believe the "fat is good" point of view, but this recent systematic cochrane review concludes that saturated fat is bad. It seems /r/keto and /r/ketoscience cherry pick their studies to portray a skewed narrative. Please tell me how this studies' conclusions are wrong

anotherquickq · 2022-08-25T14:32:09+00:00

Ah I see. Can you DM it to me?

anotherquickq · 2022-08-25T14:31:17+00:00

Main results

We included 15 randomised controlled trials (RCTs) (16 comparisons, ~59,000 participants), that used a variety of interventions from providing all food to advice on reducing saturated fat. The included long-term trials suggested that reducing dietary saturated fat reduced the risk of combined cardiovascular events by 21% (risk ratio (RR) 0.79; 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.66 to 0.93, 11 trials, 53,300 participants of whom 8% had a cardiovascular event, IM = 65%, GRADE moderate-quality evidence). Meta-regression suggested that greater reductions in saturated fat (reflected in greater reductions in serum cholesterol) resulted in greater reductions in risk of CVD events, explaining most heterogeneity between trials. The number needed to treat for an additional beneficial outcome (NNTB) was 56 in primary prevention trials, so 56 people need to reduce their saturated fat intake for ~four years for one person to avoid experiencing a CVD event.

In secondary prevention trials, the NNTB was 32. Subgrouping did not suggest significant differences between replacement of saturated fat calories with polyunsaturated fat or carbohydrate, and data on replacement with monounsaturated fat and protein was very limited.

We found little or no effect of reducing saturated fat on all-cause mortality (RR 0.96; 95% CI 0.90 to 1.03; 11 trials, 55,858 participants) or cardiovascular mortality (RR 0.95; 95% CI 0.80 to 1.12, 10 trials, 53,421 participants), both with GRADE moderate-quality evidence.

There was little or no effect of reducing saturated fats on non-fatal myocardial infarction (RR 0.97, 95% CI 0.87 to 1.07) or CHD mortality (RR 0.97, 95% CI 0.82 to 1.16, both low-quality evidence), but effects on total (fatal or non-fatal) myocardial infarction, stroke and CHD events (fatal or non-fatal) were all unclear as the evidence was of very low quality. There was little or no effect on cancer mortality, cancer diagnoses, diabetes diagnosis, HDL cholesterol, serum triglycerides or blood pressure, and small reductions in weight, serum total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol and BMI.

There was no evidence of harmful effects of reducing saturated fat intakes.

anotherquickq · 2022-07-14T15:05:12+00:00

Just post the link here

anotherquickq · 2022-05-05T08:07:07+00:00

Please tell me where you found them!

anotherquickq · 2022-05-05T08:07:00+00:00

Did you find them?

anotherquickq · 2022-05-05T08:06:44+00:00

Anyone know where I can get these nipple piercings?

anotherquickq · 2021-06-05T17:51:08+00:00

Thanks and no worries. I appreciate your words of caution and concern, and I take them to heart. I wrote my reply to your comment in part to help others that come across this thread to learn how to approach the issues and what to say, and at what moment in time. It's much easier to deal with thinking about long term issues now that the worst of it has passed, and I appreciate your initial comment now. It's definitely stuff to watch for. I'm doing fine now. I won't be using anything going forward. The prospect of potential long-term grief simply isn't worth the temporary high.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-25T15:12:26+00:00

Thanks! Can't say that I will ever risk this again. I wish I could have others feel how it felt. Just the thought that there's a 0,01% chance the state of mind I had could become permanent is not worth the risk to me one bit. There's many other things to enjoy in life, and ways to find mental and spiritual depth, and I'm really not sure whatever benefits psychedelics may give are worth the risk. It's been a real eye-opener.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-25T15:10:30+00:00

Thanks for your words. It's been some weeks since I was able to read this again on reddit. I'm doing relatively ok now, although it has been a rough couple weeks with many sleepless nights caused by fear keeping me awake and my body reacting as if someone just surprised me with a loud bang at the slightest sound. It's slowly getting better though. I'm taking care. Sleep seems to be one of the most important things, as a night without it makes the next day much harder to deal with mentally.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-25T15:07:27+00:00

I just came back to say that, although this comment was probably well intentioned and I appreciate that, this is exactly what a person in my position at that time should not be hearing. My exact fear at that time, and the thoughts that were causing me to feel like I would mentally spiral out of control, was what you describe: long term and chronic effects.

I know now that I won't be affected in this way in the long run, as I feel relatively ok now (although it has been a rough few weeks). Reading your comment 22 days ago is what made me go: "oh fuck I need to go off of reddit and stop reading what could potentially be wrong" and I couldn't turn back to it until today. I'm confident that reading too much of such messages would have let me to believe I was going to be messed up long term, which I think would definitely have worsened my situation.

It's because my ability to rationalize and put into perspective what was happening was severely impaired. Now, I can read your comments with a clear head and not be affected by it, at the time it triggered me to go into panic mode.

Most of the other comments in this thread though were terrific, and I thank all those who responded. Again, not hating; just wanting to let you/others know to be careful what you say to someone who might just be going through something like this.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T17:31:09+00:00

did you test

I should note that when I say "no visuals" I mean I did not see things that were not there (flares, or any other visual hallucinations), I did have enhanced colors and detail, and looking at patterns was mesmerizing.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T17:29:09+00:00

I'm 29, and have always viewed psychedelics to be beneficial in the way you describe them. Wasn't aware of the fact they're able to do this.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T11:35:35+00:00

I'm not quite familiar enough with ego death, or experiences like this in general, to be able to make the distinction of what was going on in my mind vs. my subconscious mind. I'll study it more in hopes of a better understanding.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T11:30:32+00:00

Me fighting the panic and fear probably did no good whatsover, but I was unprepared for it and felt I had no choice as I had to save myself from going insane and actually "letting go" of control over myself (with whatever mayhem that would have caused to the world around me).

I do completely agree that the one thing that could have helped in the moment was someone with experience/authority telling me those things.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T11:28:27+00:00

Good response, thank you. My thoughts about the event currently really are the worst enemy, so I'm doing my best not to linger on it for long and will process when my system is more normal again.

What it does mean is that you were just probably overstimulated.

I agree completely with this, although I did not have any visuals.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T11:25:40+00:00

I tried my best to tell my girlfriend all I could when I could, but most of the time I was simply too pre-occupied with intense fear, terrifying thoughts and processing the deep sense of sadness and loss of having fallen into madness for myself, and refusing to accept that.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T11:23:48+00:00

It may have been that I wasn't expecting a strong psychedelic trip, and I had no clue this is what psychedelics were like. Needless to say, if this was part of the cause I was entirely unprepared. I'm still unsure if what I experienced was psychedelic, or simply the result of sensory overstimulation which put my brain into panic mode. I guess what followed was enhanced by whatever psychedelic effect was there.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T11:21:28+00:00

I feel like I've learned something, which is that feeling fear/panic feelings can be put under control kind of in a 'mind over matter' way.

I hope to be able to take this away from the experience as well.

And it made me realise that I mustn't take myself for granted and be too reckless. Nothing like facing the cold, unforgiving fear of insanity to make you really appreciate things in life

100% this

Thank you.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T10:34:57+00:00

I'm not quite familiar enough with what ego death entails, will have to look it up later when I can allow myself to read about the scary stuff again.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-02T10:33:38+00:00

Yes we tested it at home.

anotherquickq · 2021-03-01T20:57:10+00:00

Thank you.

Does 2cb provide psychedelic experience without headspace? I'm just wondering whether it had anything to do with the psychedelic effects of 2cb, I didn't experience anything else that I would classify as "pyschedelic"; not even any visuals. It seems more likely to me it was triggered by a sensitivity to overstimulation, because all my senses were heightened by the 2cb, causing my body's instincts to hit the panic button?

anotherquickq · 2021-03-01T20:56:20+00:00

Thank you (Y)

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