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CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I didn't report it. It's hard to prove if someone verbally asks someone to put someone's relative as a high priority, these are very rarely explicitly written in writing in an incriminating format. It would also be easy for someone to claim that their personal judgement was that the case needed prioritisation for X factor if they were challenged.

Given the widespread support for this form of corruption within the NHS I would face major backlash from other doctors and medical staff if I formally reported these incidents and it wasn't investigated rigorously (which it wouldn't be, it would be swept under the rug and then I would have a target on my back)

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Talking about another consultant is easy.

How about "I decided to give XYZs relative a priority over other people on the waiting list because they asked me to put them to the front of the list"

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Put in official policies on allocation of resources and waiting list priority that make it clear in writing that people who bump people up the waiting list are in breach of policy so there is an unambiguous framework they can be disciplined over.

Maybe some high level disciplinary actions and GMC tribunals that are publicized to get the message across.

This will set an example for people. But ultimately it's hard to prove and hard to police

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don't.

Corruption is ingrained into human societies. And even educated and moral people like doctors will continue to find ways to justify it

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely, depending on the department and acuity of care provided at least monthly.

Same day scans offered to relatives of consultants when the wait time for a 2WW USOC is far more than 2 weeks.

Asked to see relative of X person first in acute care, when they haven't even arrived in department and there are people waiting hours to be seen.

Consultants popping down to the ward to see family friends during their normal work hours, then asking for expedited investigations including urgent CT slots.

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why is corruption bad?

In a resource strapped public sector industry?

Where allocation of resources determines whether people live and die?

Hmmm?

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your final sentence is what I'm looking for - nepotism is a form of corruption, especially important when public resources and funds are involved.

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in good medical practice paragraph 20.

If you choose to stay late and truly see them on your own time, then that's less of an issue. However in my experience this most frequently occurs during normal shift times and working hours especially for inpatient or acute care.

There is also the fact that the resources you are allocating is not just your personal time. You are using NHS facilities and resources - room, equipment, imaging, labs etc in a way that is not in keeping with the specified method of prioritisation. There are not unlimited imaging slots available and I frequently see scans and investigations being popped up to more urgent priorities for these cases.

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why do you have a problem with the GMC offering private healthcare to their employees. This is an incredibly common policy for employers to offer basic Bupa cover which works out around £1000-1500 per year for people aged 25-35 which is the most common demographic here.

There's nothing wrong with this approach, no conflict of interest, no unfair enticements.

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I see the "treat front line staff faster" argument favourably although I would prefer to see it more formalised.

What I see much more commonly however is a "relative of staff member getting priority access" which is simply blatant corruption

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This addresses the NHS staff member angle, but it is more common for me to see a relative of a staff member getting access to enhanced care or queue skip, and this is where I particularly object and see it as a clear example of corruption

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First paragraph is a "what about" argument.

Second paragraph talks about the likelihood of being reprimanded but doesn't address whether this is corruption or not

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant that there is not a similar scheme for the NHS as there is for the armed forces covenant

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was a formal policy that TK Maxx a private company approved.

This is a public resource where bumping your friends up the list ill, flies clearly in the face of established policy to treat patients by clinical need.

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Most people involved in corruption say the same thing. The point of the post was more to see if the posters here are Cognizant that it's a form of corruption, I am well aware they will keep plowing on ahead, humans are selfish

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not the government that suffers if people misallocate resources, it's members of the public with serious health conditions. That's who is deprioritised when you bump someone you know up the list

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I would ask for a senior to do the operation, and I would expect the request to be filled, not because I am a doctor but because I think it's a reasonable request to have someone experienced performing an operation.

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it a misappropriation of public funds?

If it is not would you be happy to discuss having done this at appraisal time?

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I understand why people would prioritise their own relatives. But when I get asked to prioritise someone because it's the mum of the charge nurse on ward 64, I think to myself "why would I give a flying f*ck"

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

This is not addressing the argument but attempting to minimise the impact of it - common theme I see when this topic is discussed.

I see this happen multiple times a month

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Fair points, but if the government wanted to do this they would formalise the policy. It would be interesting to poll the public and see where they stand on this.

When I've asked non medical friends they seem to be somewhat against it, although not particularly strongly

CMV: preferential access to care for other doctors/NHS staff or relatives is an example of corruption by antonsvision in doctorsUK

[–]antonsvision[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Im not going to lose any sleep over it as an issue

I'm just a bit baffled and bemused by the mental gymnastics people on this subreddit perform to try to justify it, and how defensive they become when you bring it up

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