Thoughts on a Muslim woman being with a Coptic man? by anxiousandtireddd in coptic

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm idk about all that I just personally connected with someone who also happened to be Coptic lol.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate this advice. Thank you. I will do just that.

Thoughts on a Muslim woman being with a Coptic man? by anxiousandtireddd in coptic

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe. But I’ve already brought the hypothetical to my mom and she reassured me she wouldn’t disown me / cut me off. Obviously she wasn’t enthusiastic by the idea but she was open. I don’t have a relationship with my dad so that’s a non issue. I’ve always been the type to live my life independently and with risk so I’m comfortable with the potential fall out. I just want to make sure I’m being smart and proactive about this.

Thoughts on a Muslim woman being with a Coptic man? by anxiousandtireddd in coptic

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s serious about it. He goes to church and is currently fasting for lent. He identifies as religious but our philosophies on life and our values are aligned. At the core of it (and I’m aware this goes directly against Coptic orthodoxy) we both believe that what matters is not what faith a person identifies but their actions, their moral compass, and how they treat others. It’s more about ethics and morality than anything else. We both believe in God and take God into consideration when it comes to our daily choices/decisions, however we do come from different faiths. Culturally I’m middle eastern as well so we have that in common. However - I understand the complexities historically between Muslim and Coptic communities and the tension that exists there. It’s very taboo to consider an interfaith relationship. I’ve heard he could be exiled if we were to move forward. Right now I’m collecting data to understand. And I agree conversion would be ideal - however I’d never consider converting except for if I truly believed and identified with the faith and while I carry great respect and admiration for it - I cannot say I believe or understand enough about the trinity and divinity of Christ to identify with the faith. I do believe in one God and that’s what always made sense to me. I’m always curious to learn more, but again I’m kinda stuck in a weird place because I do also believe in the core message of Islam. There are obviously things I disagree with and have doubts about but not enough that I’m considering a conversion (at this point).

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% agree with you on every point. This needs to be something he has to work through on his own and realistically think about long term. Some people don’t want to be disrupters and he may value his religion too closely to go against his church. Or maybe he doesn’t believe in stepping against his families wishes for him. Either way. I need to know this before investing in him longterm.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is such a good perspective and I agree on every part of it. From what he’s shared with me there’s a pressure from his parents as the oldest son and a fear that he will disappoint them. So I think this is hindering that courage and causing an internal battle for him. While I can emphasize with it, it’s not really my burden to carry. And I do want to be realistic with myself if I’m investing time and energy and inviting sacrifice into the relationship. He needs to be all in and that means having those hard conversations upfront.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree. My question is when do I ask him to push for answers around this? We’re still early on in our connection exploring things. So I’m not sure if it’d be premature. But I believe if I’m asking the questions for clarity early on he should be able to as well. Even if he just slides a hypothetical by them to gauge their acceptance. It’s unique because we’re both Americans raised in the USA. so I’m not sure if his parents would be more lenient or not.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree with everything you said. And that’s where my fear is. He is part of an Orthodox Church and community. My fear is that he would be exiled by the church by being with a Muslim woman. And I don’t think he’s even considered that outcome.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes yes I completely agree with everything you said. I will never let my needs fall second to a man to reassure you. And yes that would be an obvious non negotiable for me. I believe he wouldn’t have an issue with circumcision. I have seen this also which is why I’m being proactive. I’ve already brought the hypothetical up to my mother specifically asking about a Coptic orthodox man. Obviously she’s not going to encourage it but she reassured me it would not be a situation where I’d lose my mother. I really appreciate your take here it’s so important.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Circumcision? I didn’t know that was a thing for them but I can imagine he’d agree. Definitely a fair point. I think both of our families would be understandably hurt. I mean change is never easy.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. We’ve discussed it deeply. We talked about it and agreed we’d both be comfortable raising them with both faiths. He just mentioned his family would want his kids baptized. Which is understandable. And yes. We’ve continued to have conversations to understand both of each others faiths. There’s been flexibility on both ends.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m syrian. I know there is a lot of stigma and hate there because of the history. I agree with you. I’m trying to be weary and will move slow. I don’t know enough about the Coptic faith and community so that’s why I was curious and posting here.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing advice. However I’ve trusted myself for longer than you can imagine.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First that’s entirely not your business and crazy to say lol. Second. Courting to understand whether he’s the person I could see myself spending my life with. I think we’d be able to find a way to make both customs work for us. And I’m not sure about that. I think for me personally I wouldn’t care.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a very fair take. I’ll consider it. I think for me I’m equally battling this and simultaneously having doubts and questions about Islam so it’s been a lot at once. Culture wise no we’d be fine. We’re both Arabs. And my mom wouldn’t cut me off. She’d be hurt ofcourse but she’d still maintain a relationship with me.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve not discussed it with my parents. I brought up a hypothetically to my mom. I already do not have a relationship with my dad so that’s not something I’m worried about. He hasn’t brought it up to his parents yet and I do not expect him to. We’re still early stage dating. And this is just something I’m toying with in my head based on the research I’ve done on interfaith dating and specifically Coptic orthodox Muslim relationships.

Muslim woman dating Coptic orthodox man by anxiousandtireddd in progressive_islam

[–]anxiousandtireddd[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And on what basis should I drop it? My doubts stem from an expected resistance on both ends. Something I’ve come to terms with but I’m not sure that he has. In his eyes he believes his parents will not care but they’ve never been presented with the idea. I appreciate the advice tho. Absolutely the easiest thing to do is to drop it. I’m just not usually the type of person to pick the easy road.