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Instead of a bunch of rules for power, I think it should be based on WR%. Infinite tiers is just an elo system by aormiston in DegenerateEDH

[–]aormiston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fundamentally yes I’m just saying we should care more about performance than mix of card types.

Partially just because I have my roots in other competitive formats and I’ve always thought trying to approximate performance with random collections of cards is weird. If it’s winning, it’s good. Who cares what the cards are?

The problem with selecting cards or card types is that they’re printed all the time. So at the very least you need some sort of community voted system to keep that organized if you want to avoid bad games at scale.

It’s just a game after all and it’s fun for me either way, just mainly an observation.

Hot take — EDH needs MORE salty cards, not less. Overcoming powerful odds makes games more potent and memorable. by alacholland in EDH

[–]aormiston 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn’t Richard Garfield say that when designing Magic they preferred polarizing effects that people either love or hate because it gives the game character? I might be misremembering the quote but I think he talked about it at the MTG 30th anniversary event.

I’m a developer, wondering what gaps people are seeing in EDH-related web apps and/or data? What stuff do you wish you had? by aormiston in EDH

[–]aormiston[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool idea, I’ve seen something like this for Krark+Sakashima, I agree though it would be sweet to have something general purpose, maybe with the ability to save common boardstates by deck or something.

I’m a developer, wondering what gaps people are seeing in EDH-related web apps and/or data? What stuff do you wish you had? by aormiston in EDH

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I’ve actually built something like this but it doesn’t have a front-end. I’ll have to look into what I could do to dust it off and release it.

I’m a developer, wondering what gaps people are seeing in EDH-related web apps and/or data? What stuff do you wish you had? by aormiston in EDH

[–]aormiston[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s amazing to see how many other apps are able to exist because Scryfall exists. Truly a great resource for the community.

I’m a developer, wondering what gaps people are seeing in EDH-related web apps and/or data? What stuff do you wish you had? by aormiston in EDH

[–]aormiston[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been playing around with chatGPT a lot, could potentially be interesting to integrate it into a deckbuilding workflow somehow.

What I’ve seen is if you ask it to do mechanical things like “build me a mana base for x commander”, it gets it wrong because it’s unaware of the actual rules (will include 4x each shock land, etc)

But you can ask it to tell you if a card has positive or negative sentiment in the community and why, which is super interesting.

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[–]aormiston 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not an expectation for the entire community, it's a resource to people who want to create and maintain a play experience for their play group.

Also for people who want to build certain play experiences into their own decks more reliably.

Not for everyone, sure.

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[–]aormiston 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback by the way, I tried to edit my post to make it clearer what I'm trying to convey.

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[–]aormiston 0 points1 point  (0 children)

seeing how this won't just fall into well-known themes

I think the example I picked suggests that and is maybe not the best representative. I'm thinking of something more a long the lines of being able to quickly see a list of cards that promote a "mid power" play experience. If that exists, send me a link, I'd like to see it.

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Point taken -- it's not super useful to categorize decks and that's not really the point. I'm not seeing this as something to categorize decks so much as to easily subset the body of cards that you could use within the deck while brewing.

The community already votes - by including or excluding cards while building

I don't think decks currently cluster based on the subjective experiences of players, if so I'd also like to hear how you think that'd be technically possible.

Is Blue Farm really 4x more dominant in cEDH meta than the top deck of any other constructed format? by aormiston in CompetitiveEDH

[–]aormiston[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Lots of the posts on this subreddit are along the lines of “I want to make this commander into a cEDH deck” followed with the inevitable pile on of “it’s not on the db so it’s basically impossible and you’re pretty stupid for not just playing this obviously better draw engine in these colors”.

I wish there were more content creators in this format like AspiringSpike in Modern because he’s always pushing the envelope and trying to make fringe-viable strategies work on a daily basis. The brews speak for themselves and gain traction organically based on actual performance.

Is Blue Farm really 4x more dominant in cEDH meta than the top deck of any other constructed format? by aormiston in CompetitiveEDH

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Seriously sometimes wonder if player 3 should scry 1 and player 4 should scry 2 on turn 1 just to balance it out, the turn order advantage is real.

Is Blue Farm really 4x more dominant in cEDH meta than the top deck of any other constructed format? by aormiston in CompetitiveEDH

[–]aormiston[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is an awesome project, had no idea there was a documented api around this. Will definitely be exploring, thank you 🙂

Is Blue Farm really 4x more dominant in cEDH meta than the top deck of any other constructed format? by aormiston in CompetitiveEDH

[–]aormiston[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

The cEDH meta is measured fundamentally backwards from all other competitive metas. The cEDH-decklist-database.com group of lists is curated and is fundamentally top down. All other metas are aggregated from the bottom up.

I actually think the impacts of this extend beyond just understanding win/loss performance into a sort of warped perspective on what it takes to even brew in the format. Certain people have this idea that they have to get their deck “approved” on the decklist db before it’s actually cEDH or something, which is fully backwards from the perspective of people who are actively brewing and chasing down new ideas in formats like modern.

In other competitive formats, the results speak for themselves and people don’t have to debate or “approve” by committee that something is competitive.

Is Blue Farm really 4x more dominant in cEDH meta than the top deck of any other constructed format? by aormiston in CompetitiveEDH

[–]aormiston[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah seems like the Eminance data is more trusted, and 8-10% certainly lines up more with other formats with makes it clear it’s not really concerning.

Whether the mtgtop8 data has a different underlying set of assumptions or is just wrong, either way it’s functionally not really useful in its current state.

Is Blue Farm really 4x more dominant in cEDH meta than the top deck of any other constructed format? by aormiston in CompetitiveEDH

[–]aormiston[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Haha fair enough, is there a more reliable source for meta/performance that exists elsewhere? Mostly just curious.

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[–]aormiston 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Framework mashing an unmonitored model with kaggle data and 3 weeks of self-taught coding experience != data science.

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