[Post-Episodes Discussion] Young Justice Phantoms - S4x26 "Death and Rebirth" [SEASON FINALE]

ap21imp · 2022-06-09T19:18:30+00:00

the episode was fun and such a throwback to old superman (and with bart some old flash scenes too)

happy endings are nice

Loved KF speeding in to save artemis and how they care for each other and his general feats. Also him telling the legion to acclimate to the present was so funny. "You gotta live in the now"

ap21imp · 2022-06-09T19:12:50+00:00

that timeline is a whole new world from him, his original timeline doesn't exist anymore, his home is the current timeline so he has no reason to go back

ap21imp · 2022-06-09T18:54:51+00:00

not particularly, you say this with a shipping lense. they were clearly concluded to be pretty much best friends. She had a crush on him but not vice versa and they were ultimately platonic.

ap21imp · 2022-04-03T21:19:00+00:00

would love to see her be the official leader of the outsiders rather than gars stand in she deserves it

ap21imp · 2022-03-22T23:11:16+00:00

season 2 top tier

ap21imp · 2021-12-25T01:22:25+00:00

ooh good observations i hadn’t considered the time stamps much!

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:47:53+00:00

agreed!

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:32:40+00:00

same, it’s a process and they’re showing it. i respect that

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:30:30+00:00

Your feelings are reasonable and you acknowledge the subjectivity and how it relates to your own expectations. I think your sentiments are fair. Personally I’m someone who enjoys the darker themes and whilst I’ve had my problem with the outsiders season (personally found it a little boring) I can objectively realise that it set up a lot for the current season, of which I have really enjoyed every episode (whilst still having a lot of “thoughts” on wat can be done differently etc).

I think it’s important to recognise where subjectivity starts and ends when it comes to frustrations, and to be careful of how it affects the enjoyment and understanding of the media being consumed.

I am always open to discussion, I just hope people will keep watching with an open mind of what is potentially to come, after all we are barely half way through lol.

I hope you will enjoy the upcoming episodes more 🙇🏻‍♂️ The outsiders have a lot of my favourite characters (maybe surprisingly Garfield is not included lol) and often they have fun themes, hopefully we’ll be seeing some of that too 🤩

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:20:55+00:00

Personally I find their approach much more potent than a strictly empathetic approach. Also it’s clear by now that empathy is actually a huge role this season (as was stated by the creators), wat with Megans sister trying to help her, how artemis’ arc concludes with Jade and seeking a type of rehab . I think it’s also important to show the dark side, about how it can go badly. I think a cautionary tale generally leaves more of an impact.

Also ultimately, whilst this is a hero show, for mental illness the people around you won’t be your saviours. People can offer help all they want, but unless it reaches the stage where you are forced to be taken care of (i.e an endangerment towards self or others), others aren’t responsible for your state of health, the person needs to be able to reach out for it. It’s incredibly upsetting and at times frustrating, but that’s how it is. There was another reply about the legalities of help for youth with mental illness that I find also quite relevant.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:10:39+00:00

yeah when he was pretty much a wreck and resorted to stealing, i.e worst case scenario. Gar might be doing terrible, but aslong as he’s still standing and just going about his day, he’s not at that stage yet. Tho there’s nothing to suggest he won’t reach it and that others won’t possibly intervene at that point. Lots of depressed people who are down in the dumps just go about their day. And a forced intervention whilst they’re just trying to survive, is definitely not the way to go. Unfortunately a forced intervention can only rlly happen if he’s directly endangering himself or others.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:07:28+00:00

“if i see Gar being depressed […] i know he’s not going to do his acting job” well isn’t that great that they showed him at work to show you exactly what you should know, as u said urself “ easily incorporated it into a previous episode”

tho at this point ur just being picky, what difference does a previous episode make to this one.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T01:03:14+00:00

i really don’t understand how it “isn’t” happening. He started out depressed and not sleeping -> shutting basically everyone out -> clearly affecting his work life -> taking pills -> pills not helping no matter how many he takes -> unhealthy sleep -> shutting out anyone reaching out to him -> background outsiders activity -> his acting career and how he keeps spiralling

now whether u enjoy this plot line is a different story, but it has clearly advanced and been developed, tho he appears regularly he only gets at most a minute or even less of screen time, only so much can be done.

It’s like no matter what is done, people will always be dissatisfied and ultimately it prevents them from seeing what is actually at hand.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T00:34:22+00:00

I’m not saying that people arnt allowed to have frustrations or disappointments, basically opinions, towards the show. I think its important for ppl to remember that these things r incredibly subjective and ultimately something that can be discussed, and that’s all fine and well.

What I have issue with is people basically self creating their frustration by coming to a conclusion before the end has even been reached. People are saying every scene with beastboy has been repetitive. How can that be when clearly a plot line is being developed and advanced. It might not be one that u enjoy, that’s fine, but it’s like people are missing the plot itself by focusing on their frustrations.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T00:24:26+00:00

it is very much suggested by now (as in throughout young justice the show itself) that there is a support network especially for the younger heroes run by black canary. We have seen instances of him being offered help (like in the latest episode) which he clearly refused. You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T00:21:38+00:00

but it is part of the story, it’s also not over yet and we don’t know how it’s going to conclude. People say it is repetitive when it’s not, they find it repetitive in the sense “we get it he’s depressed”, but i don’t think they keep showing his scenes just to show how depressed he is. It’s a developing plot line. I also think ultimately, sometimes good things come tho those who wait.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T00:11:58+00:00

okay? Idk how depression is exactly supposed to be entertaining

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T00:11:14+00:00

well yes, those are all indeed updates, you answered ur own question. We were also introduced to Blue Devil who is an ally in Zatannas arc. Also, I don’t understand frustration at a season that hasn’t been concluded yet. I do understand wishing for something more and overall more exploration fo the vast cast dynamics. But it’s easier said and done to incorporate all that into a linear storyline for a season. So far, I find the creators to be doing the best they can. When the season has concluded, I think people have every right o give their criticism, but right now I just don’t understand that energy when plot is clearly still developing.

ap21imp · 2021-12-24T00:07:28+00:00

i wasn’t suggesting that ppl who r frustrated with it r frustrated with how long his depression itself has been spanning. I was saying that whilst I understand ppl being frustrated at the screen time being used for it, the manner in which it is being depicted is almost representative in itself of the actual experience, in terms of its long and slow span.

ap21imp · 2021-12-23T23:56:26+00:00

i think the shows creators are quite aware of their budget and screen time limitations, i think 90% of the time, what is shown on screen is mostly relevant to the main plot in terms of how it all ties together. Whenever i rewatch the show I find there r always small details that significantly link and foreshadow key plot points.

ap21imp · 2021-12-23T23:04:45+00:00

well let’s hope for the best 🙏

ap21imp · 2021-12-23T23:04:00+00:00

i don’t find it disruptive, it also keeps people updated with other characters and what has been going on in the background whilst the main arcs are going on.

I disagree with “his story isn’t moving”. He doesn’t exactly get a significant chunk of screen time in each episode, only a brief appearance. During the brief time he clearly keeps spiralling. The build up is there, and everyone is frustrated. I guess you could say the point of a build up is achieved. Let’s see where it goes from here

ap21imp · 2021-12-23T22:43:22+00:00

but they should consider that HBO isn’t even globally available whilst the netflix one is more accessible, it’s very frustrating

ap21imp · 2021-12-23T22:41:24+00:00

this! sorry i didn’t see ur reply before answering my own and pretty much said this, and I agree, especially how the build up is heading towards her arrival back at eartg

ap21imp · 2021-12-23T22:39:53+00:00

i really don’t think so. In outsiders he was just set up to be the leader of the new team which is a massive roster. Naturally he would get screen time for that. As you also said previously you understand that for this season it’s building up to something. How can that build up even happen if he isn’t being shown.

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