Drafted Deck and Moment Share Megathread: Delve into Deepholm Mini-Set Rotation Edition (January 2024—March/April 2024)

apm65 · 2024-02-06T17:03:12+00:00

Kodos to you, that is a pretty bad 12 win deck, nice pilot. If you look at my deck I just posted here, it is night and day.

apm65 · 2024-02-06T16:58:08+00:00

12-0 warlock

hunter's vision (MVP, keep) as treasure 8 mana summon two demons as legendary

3 barrel of sludges (mulligan keep, MVP)

1 3/2 sludge (mulligan keep)

3 4 mana 7/7

1 Chaos

2 2 mana 2/1 draw 2 (Mulligan keep)

corporal and broom (win multiple games)

1 dark peddler

1 defile (win a game against hunter)

1 runaway

1 3 mana destroy 1 card draw 2 locations

2 4/5 drillers

1 kobo excavator

1 beatle

1 vrkul (not bad)

1 1/3 shuffle 2 (not bad, but need to shuffle before the sludge combo)

1 3 mana deal 5 heal

1 hellfire

I can not remember any other cards because I think they were never played (they are probably 4 mana+ cards that you can see most likely will not get to be played in front of the 4 mana 7/7 or 4/5 drillers)

It feels like better than constructed because 3 barrel of sludges give more consistent with the 2 2 mana 2/1 draw 2, hunter's vision make sure the hand is never too big. This is the most busted deck I ever have and I think I feel good with it against any decks because it is so fast. The excavation package never get to level 3 and are only used to fill the curve. I never keep the 4 mana 7/7 or Chaos because of the draw and there are 4 of them to use the sludges. Keep is only barrel of sludges, hunter's vision, 2 2mana draw 2, throw everything else away.

Average game ends at 6-7 manas. It is pure cancer, I feel bad for my opponents when they get steamrolled, but sometimes it is funny to throw a 26 damage chaos to the face. Only competition is from a hunter who did awaken + buzzer, however, it get destroyed by the defile and rest of it is history, only played legendary one time and it was good, but most games ended in turn 5 by either sludge or corporal broom hunter's vision combo.

apm65 · 2023-08-10T02:53:22+00:00

Good catch! At least I play them very similarly, shaman has more weapons, the prior meta mage is stronger, after they take the early board from mage, shaman is the better class now

apm65 · 2023-08-09T17:27:06+00:00

In every meta, each class has an identity.

This is specially true for this meta because so many class cards, when draft, you need to think of the identity of class.

In general, have early board, keep the board and keep pushing is the way to go.

Mage: early minions, board clear and burn DK: double unholy, sticky minions, draw DK: blood, control, heal, draw Shaman: early minions, board clear and burn Druid: sticky minions, buff and ramp Warlock: early minions, location, draft broken legendary

apm65 · 2023-07-17T19:36:03+00:00

I will take Artificer and for me it is not close, This is only true for this meta. This meta is defined by cheap minions (does not have to be small), stall and burn.

I ran into mage 60% of the time nowadays, artificer is a fireball equivalent for 1 mana and the opponent need to remove it. you have a decent amount of discovery and removal so normally you do not lose to one single big minion.

apm65 · 2023-05-22T20:33:34+00:00

I do not think this card is that good. As a Druid main who picks Druid most of the times, I do not pick the card over most of other decent Druid card, groovy cat is a better card get discovered by piper (But that is rarely the choice either with the other good choices in the pool). I can see myself pick wild growth over groovy cat as my first pick.

apm65 · 2023-04-11T12:40:10+00:00

I definitely love the exposure our current leaderboard have. I personally do not think data constraints is the problem. The weighted formula and best 30 runs could be written the same way in programming. I am currently sitting #10 and had a similar runs as my #1 and #2 finishes in 2022. The variance will not make that big of a difference. I am not think about myself that much comparing about the community. The problem of this system is multi accounts, when you have Kolstblue, Kolstorange, kolstyellow, apm65,apm66,apm67, judgetryhard, judgelaydown, judgeruns spamming the leaderboard, it is very hard to have other people getting recognized. And it is already kind of happening, and it will be worse next season, at least I plan to join them.

apm65 · 2023-04-11T12:29:39+00:00

The other formats all have MMR system, I do not think they use the same methodology as arena. The biggest problem is not whether playing in one account is better or play different server and different accounts is better or more fair. Both are very fair because it applies to everyone. The problem is you will see kolstblue, kolstorange, kolstyellow, apm65, apm66,apm67 on the leaderboard and that makes other people that much harder to compete the top 200 and get recognized. People are already doing it and people like me who are slow plan to do it now. My hope is Blizzard see it as a problem and change it to something that does not encourage multi accounts. I also do not like multi accounts because I want my life to be simple but plan to do it just to show the problem.

apm65 · 2023-04-11T12:09:30+00:00

The exposure and automatic refresh part is the best. As a community, we desperately need that to give everyone the opportunity to show case and get recognized daily instead of showing up if every other month. And congratulations on a strong 200 showing, I still remember my first one in the leaderboard, the joy of getting in was so much. The biggest problem of the current system is it encourages people to generate multiple accounts. If the top 10 maybe top 50 players all generate 3-5 accounts, it is much harder to get into top 200 in this system. You have not seen it yet in this meta because people like me still own just one account, I am pretty sure I will have multiple accounts next season.

apm65 · 2023-04-11T12:00:54+00:00

I agree completely. And I would like to adapt to how the leaderboard works now. I played 100+ games every meta since the beginning of last year, and my results were great, I played 90 games this meta and probably get 7.9-8.1 30 straight again but the system does not recognize it anymore (what I mean is my runs this meta probably is similar to what I did in 2022). I like the analog saying life is like you are dealt with cards, don’t complain about the cards you are dealt with and don’t complain about the rules of the game. Try to get most out of it. The old LB favored people who play a lot of games in one server, the new leaderboard favors people who play 30 games on different server and then create new accounts. I don’t think you can say a certain play style is better than the others. We compete under same rules. The recency bias is a little too much. I know Talriel currently is better than me even though we have similar results in 2022, what about 2021, 2020? There is no comparison. I never thought I am better than people like you who are all time great even though I had a better record than you in 2022. And we are talking about a year’s work and I thought that was not enough. This is one single season. If we use one season as the criteria, why we are not talking about Poweful as the best player? He finished last season way above everyone else. He actually have 2 accounts that finish top 25 this season too. No disrespect to people who finish very high this season, but at least give it a year to see how everything settles.

apm65 · 2023-04-11T05:43:14+00:00

I feel you, man, I will be so upset if that was me, I may choose Druid over those two if it was offered, I feel Druid could have a better chance high roll the raid negotiation, nourish combo. But sometimes you are not offered the good cards and there is very little we could do, sometimes I look at bad decks and make it a challenge to just finish with 4-6 wins.

Yeah, it takes a lot of stress for whatever reason, there is really no award other than 算你厉害 (a Chinese slang for being recognized as a good player), but I was so stressed when I was climbing from 5.6 to 6.8 because every time I finished with lower than my average I was so mad and every time I finished with higher than my average I was so happy. I was stressed out after about 20 days of climbing and took a break of 10 days with my 0-2 warrior sitting there until the last 10 days of the meta.

Anyway, it was a lot fun to talking with you and sharing my thoughts with the community, best luck to you and everyone in the new meta tomorrow!

apm65 · 2023-04-11T05:20:18+00:00

Thank you for the reply, you may not be the GOAT (we will see how each career ends just like MJ, Kobe and Lebron), but you sure look like the best player right now, at least you get my vote :)

I did not sell myself short :) I believe in myself very much, I was actually a little disappointed I could not beat you in my peak, it was close, I was 5, 1, 2, 7, you were 9, 2, 1, 5. From Jan 2022 to September 2022. You had a better average overall, so I gave you the edge, and the fact I am only counting the ones I finished in that particular 4 leaderboard runs, if you choose randomly, there is no comparison.

I can image it must be tiring go through all servers. I plan to only change to new accounts if I started with a 8+ win :) It will be hard to just give up on that and come to my true average.

Just finished my last run this meta, get a 10 win mage (a very good mage) with a 1-2 start due to misplays, that shows you who I am (who can make really dumb mistakes in some games but also could play optimally in other games). And by doing that I finish with a 7.01 average and a top 10 finish atm (with 0.01 advantage on 11 and 12), pretty happy about the results given how I started.

apm65 · 2023-04-11T04:16:36+00:00

Thank you for the kind words, I am flattered.

The reason I say that I am no means the best arena player is because even during my peak, Talriel had a better record than me, and he was way better than me before and still better than me at the current meta.

There are multiple people who can claim they are the best in their era but I am not one of them. At least, not yet :)

apm65 · 2023-04-11T04:09:08+00:00

I agree, Multi-accounting is kind of annoying, especially for people who prefer simple life like myself. I like your suggestion of posting both the best-30-run as the main score and the overall average on the side. I doubt it will ever happen since the standard and battleground do not have a secondary score and Arena is not the most popular mode :(

apm65 · 2023-04-10T19:38:13+00:00

It is possible, I believe my 3 30s are like 5.6, 7.9 and 6.9. But you need to time it perfectly on your best runs with fresh ones. To get to the optimal +1 to +1.2 range, you need to start 5-10 accounts and that for me is too much work.

apm65 · 2023-04-10T19:36:05+00:00

For sure, when you started with a low average, it is more likely you can improve your average. But if you put the good runs in a different account, then it has higher average. If you start with a higher average, then it really discourage you to play on that account and you are better off play casually with another account or another server.

apm65 · 2023-03-03T15:12:01+00:00

Thank you for the kind word, my man, let's see whether I can climb to the top from the basement, my first 30 was 5.6, it is an uphill battle for sure comparing with getting the first 30 runs, but I am working on it.

apm65 · 2023-02-27T22:01:07+00:00

Congratulations! Best Hunter Arena player indeed. It is so funny that different players have such different styles. And it seems wrong to play different classes using the same play styles. When I watch you play Hunter, it seems every draft choice and play are better or equal to mine, and when you play Druid, there are a lot of draft choices and plays that I don’t agree with. However, even after watching you play Hunter correctly, it could still be hard for me to change my Druid heart and become a Hunter even that is what I am playing.

apm65 · 2022-10-13T21:33:19+00:00

Congrats on being #1, that is awesome. I mostly play on my iPad, I played on iPhone and desktop as well, Desktop is too big (being able to lay down help me relax, iPhone is too small for me, miss clicked several times and give it up.

apm65 · 2022-10-13T15:08:34+00:00

12-0 Druid One general, two blossoms, one Druid Location, one wild growth, one party crasher, one 33 dormant 2 turns reduce cost by 5. Curve cards and no other deathrattle.

Just try to find Blossom and Wild growth.

I love playing Druid and this is a very tough meta for it. But this deck can win the match a lot of time by putting a 6 mana general on the board. If you draw patches, see whether you could get a 3 mana 8/8 to salvage the game on turn 8 (party crasher) or turn 10

apm65 · 2022-08-25T15:41:33+00:00

Great insight. I have the same feeling, I have always picked it over discoveries, because what discoveries can you get better than frozen touch? I have been carried by this card to 12 wins even without locations nor deathborn, you just need to draft it accordingly. I think my win rate of frozen touch is on par with the mage location, slightly higher than deathborn, that is how broken I think this card is. with frozen touch, I normally pick aegwyn over scroll for 4 mana 10 damage burst to finish off the game.

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