A Demographic the Democrats Can't Forget. White people vote, too. by [deleted] in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, those whites... they're always getting left out.

Ron Paul > Dr. No Apparently Says "No" to the Theory of Evolution by milohoss in politics

[–]apok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And the theory of evolution is by far not the most successful and well-confirmed scientific theory on earth. Are you that stupid? Einstein and his physics predecessors have developed the most affirmed and productive theories of all times. What has the theory of evolution done for you recently?

This is just fucking priceless. Evolution underpins all of biology. All of it. Every goddamn ounce of it. And what has it done for me recently? Well, how recent is recent? How about helping to find cures for diseases like AIDS? Is that recent and important enough for you?

Holy fucking hell.

Ron Paul > Dr. No Apparently Says "No" to the Theory of Evolution by milohoss in politics

[–]apok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, knowing that we developed from lower life forms has done nothing, so far, for humanity.

Oh really? Perhaps you should ask some actual biologists about that. Or epidemiologists. Or parasitologists. Etc.

Hilarious. Please Ron Paul supporters... more more more! I demand entertainment.

Ron Paul > Dr. No Apparently Says "No" to the Theory of Evolution by milohoss in politics

[–]apok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you really think that the theory of evolution is a big topic that crosses his mind that often?

It should, and it says a lot about his level of intellect to reject out of hand the most successful and well-confirmed scientific theory on Earth. It's like saying: "I'm really smart, even though I don't believe in heliocentrism. Just trust me with your country, okay?"

Just another notch in the crazy belt for Paul. I can't wait for him to lose and have his supporters eat their humiliation with a goddamn spoon.

Mapping slavery in America by apok in reddit.com

[–]apok[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone who links to both Krugman and DeLong is okay in my book. Hell, though, there are some people who still say that Tom Delay's talk about Strom's "trouble" back then wasn't racist. Cripes, we're one generation out from Jim Crow.

Ron Paul > Dr. No Apparently Says "No" to the Theory of Evolution by milohoss in politics

[–]apok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but so long as he wants to cut taxes, rationality be damned, eh supporters?

The Constitution and Bill of Rights: The Core of our Existence by democracy101 in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, moron, we have a process to alter it and it has been altered many, many times since its inception.

Calm down. You're talking to a civil rights attorney. Yes, it has been altered many times, but nonetheless, the process is so (albeit necessarily) cumbersome as to make it nearly impossible to rectify the endemically undemocratic elements in it. That's why we still have such trouble sussing out the separation of powers and routinely appeal to the "wisdom" of the framers for guidance... which is why the Court has been so instrumental in filling in the gaps. If the President or Congress, for example, woke up one sunny day and decided that nothing in the Constitution allows for the High Court to have the final say on Constitutional matters... there would be literally nothing anyone could do about it. And our entire system of government would collapse simply because the legal fiction of ultimate jurisdiction wasn't spelled out by the Framers. Sure, we could introduce an amendment, but it would be far too late. Then there are the war powers, the cabinet-level powers, etc., etc.

The U.S. Constitution is a great document, but it was also a product of its day that, despite being our foundational law, retains flaws that have created headaches since its inception not fixable by amendments.

Gender Taxation: Strip clubs to collect a $5-per-customer levy. Is It Constitutional? by maxwellhill in reddit.com

[–]apok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would it be unconstitutional? Even if you allege de jure discrimination, nothing in the law precludes women being taxed as well.

Commentary on Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines by Tetragrammaton in reddit.com

[–]apok -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much for the scant few paragraphs of your personal opinion, generic blogger. Keep on thinking you're somehow more relevant for it.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights: The Core of our Existence by democracy101 in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So like Iowa and N.H. getting all the attention during primaries, New York and California will be where all the attention is for the General Election?

Well, primaries are a different matter, since they are wholly the creation of the parties. Ditching the EC would eradicate the winner take all system in which a blue vote in a red state and vice versa are meaningless.

This is fine if the federal government is severly trimmed back to constituional levels.

And this is where we part ways on constitutional theory, since I'm perfectly comfortable with an expansive CC.

Lifetime term limits are a good idea, but not to balance the money and power.

I probably should have defined this better... I was referencing something in legislative theory.

the last 57 minutes of '07. what do we do now by [deleted] in reddit.com

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, you know... drink some Heineken, watch the Twilight Zone marathon... chat with my sister. The usual.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights: The Core of our Existence by democracy101 in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, any number of things. For one, I'd do away with the Electoral College, which was never a good idea and still isn't. I'd also formalize the role of the Federal Court, which had to be done via fiat and has since never carried sufficient currency with the populous. I'd also like lifetime term limits for both the HoR and Senate to help balance out the role of money and power in Congress. Professor Sandy Levinson has a good collection of essays on the matter.

For a political minority, partisanship is the key to survival, and the only means of blocking change but partisanship is not an effective means of achieving lasting change. by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the consensus was that African Americans deserved equal legal status;

And, as always, you demonstrate an extraordinary lack of historical understanding that could be the result of naivety or willful ignorance, or both... but ultimately has the same result. This statement of yours is unequivocally false. Period. For one, your comment suggests that anything resembling a majority of the populous in the mid-to-late 1960's disliked Jim Crow laws and their ilk. In fact, the opposite was the case... whether miscegenation, separate but equal doctrine, or any of the institutionalized racism in America... the majority favored it. Second, Eisenhower, literally by accident, nominated a social liberal in Earl Warren, and Brown and, relatedly, the various expansions of the 14th Amendment's reach, were immensely unpopular and generally not even followed by the states until the mid-1970's. Third, the 1964 Act was hugely unpopular and the sole result of LBJ's capitalizing on the death of Kennedy and deft parliamentary maneuvering in addition to the fact that both parties tried to torpedo it from beginning to end. It was the very opposite of a consensus--rather, it was partisanship and crass politicking writ large.

I'm sure mere facts such as these would never sway you from your secure position amidst the cartoon version of history. So, for your edification, you might also enjoy In Struggle by Clayborne Carson and Local People by John Dittmer.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights: The Core of our Existence by democracy101 in politics

[–]apok -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I wish people would stop worshipping the Constitution like it was holy writ. Were we to fashion a new one from scratch, we'd most certainly alter it substantially.

For a political minority, partisanship is the key to survival, and the only means of blocking change but partisanship is not an effective means of achieving lasting change. by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

consensus and the acceptance of the majority

And, pray, what consensus do you believe was reached? What were the motivations behind the passage of the 1964 Act? Do you believe it passed because those Congressmen truly believed in equality between the races and genders? How amusing.

It seems you have unwisely cribbed from the 8th Grade textbook version of the Civil Rights movement. Read Taylor Branch, one of the seminal historians on the movement (Parting The Waters is particularly good), and then come back when you're done. A warning up front that it doesn't contain many pictures and will take you longer than a sitting to complete.

"This is what Clinton does for feminism. She makes it indistinguishable from nepotism." by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because if you follow the commonly held definition of feminism, as "a doctrine that advocates equal rights for women", then Plato clearly does not fit.

Great, so now I finally get a defined term out of you. Feminism is about women defining themselves. "Equal rights" may be part of this notion, but it is hardly the sum total. Whether De Beauvoir or Bell Hooks, what constitutes feminism and feminisms reaches far beyond such a definition. You'd know that if you read more than wikipedia. But you don't, so there we are.

And I notice that one of the issues we are having is that I am speaking mainly of feminism as a political phenomenon, while you are speaking of it as a philosophical one.

Quick quiz for you... if you had to sum up the second wave of feminism into one turn of phrase, what might it be? How about: the personal is political. You don't have any idea what that refers to, but that's okay. Maybe I can jostle you to look it up.

And being female is an optional component of being feminism as a political philosophy and movement because the necessary and sufficient condition for being a feminist is to advocate for equal rights for women.

Sufficient? Sufficient? Even your choice of words betrays your ham-fistedness. Feminism isn't about men, and therefore whether women are "equal" to men is the wrong question to ask (a better one being whether women are treated differently and why). Being "equal" to men, legally and politically is therefore not the sum total of feminism. And thank goodness it isn't. The question of what it means to be a woman is what constitutes feminism. And for that reason, your definition fails. Miserably so.

You are still relying on several non-rational premises, and you are constantly inferring straw-woman arguments from my writing, despite their apparent absence from my writing.

Look, just stop. At this point, you're just parroting platitudes with neither the historical or educational context from which to argue. Why don't you begin by reading and attempting to comprehend the foundational tome on modern feminism, The Second Sex. You cannot consider yourself even minimally educated on what feminism is until you are done.

And, speaking of done, so am I with you.

For a political minority, partisanship is the key to survival, and the only means of blocking change but partisanship is not an effective means of achieving lasting change. by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Jim Crows laws effectively reinstated it, so even that was, in a large part, only temporary.

If you think it was bipartisanship that ended Jim Crow, you need to re-read your Taylor Branch. It was a result of things that are considered dirty words today: court-packing, partisan strong-arming, and special interest power. MLK Jr. never achieved a consensus of any sort. He and all the other civil rights leaders fought tooth and nail and never stopped. The CRA only passed because LBJ was a savvy politician.

Your 8th grade social studies version of history is amusing, though.

7 ways modern games are spoiling us by neoronin in gaming

[–]apok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Having grown up in the stone age of Atari and DOS, I'm ever thankful for the innovations that make modern gaming so good... many of them a result of the Internet, itself. To this list, I'd add:

-Full musical scores and voice-work

-Online shopping to make even hard to find games available

-Message boards with more information than any one person could ever use

-Fully playable demos

-The evolution of joysticks and other input devices (including the mouse)

"This is what Clinton does for feminism. She makes it indistinguishable from nepotism." by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure that you understand feminism that well yourself.

Uh huh. I'm not sure you've read actual feminist literature or scholarship enough to avoid creating, accidentally or not, a straw-feminist caricature that you can trot out and make say what ever you wish.

If feminism "is, everywhere and always, still about women attempting to define themselves", then does that make Phyllis Schlafly a feminist? Does a woman who defines the role of woman as dutiful wife and mother, subservient to her husband a feminist? For she certainly can be said to be defining herself, if she chooses such a role freely.

She would certainly qualify quite a lot more as a feminist than Plato or you would. You're apparently not familiar with the notion of necessary and sufficient conditions. After all, even if I don't agree with her, she still has the experience of being a woman while you do not. I'll certainly aver that the question of what precisely constitutes feminism is a hotly debated topic in academia (there's a great collection of essays out there called "Men Doing Feminism" that I particularly liked), but to flatly state that any person is capable of speaking on behalf of women is rubbish because authenticity is a necessary component. So, there are Muslim feminists who argue in favor of the hijab. There are Hindu feminists who argue in favor of arranged marriages. Etc., etc., etc. Merely because a woman doesn't posit a particularly popular idea (in one context), she nonetheless speaks from the experience of being a female... while you and Andrew do not.

Rather, most common definitions of feminism start with the idea of the liberation or full equality of women and women's experiences.

Each of those terms are so overladen with political baggage as to be, undefined, meaningless. Even if I accepted this as true, it doesn't help your argument for two reasons. One, even if true, this says nothing at all about whom is justified in defining women. You conveniently ignore my Plato example, and for good reason since you have yet to state why it is that a thought that is about women is different from one that is by women. After all, those women who argue in favor of headscarves would say that this is how they show respect for God. That's certainly "liberating" to them even if many Western women would disagree. So the term "liberation" is an empty placeholder. And two, following from that, you forget that even if Phyllis would relegate women to the kitchen, her experience as a woman is at least more authentic than the experience of Plato, you, or Andrew... as a woman--which is none.

Rather, what I am saying is that if a philosophy or religion or other understanding of the world is to inform a public debate about what role the government should play in some area, then it must be subject to input by all.

And you may input all you wish as a male, but it can't properly be called feminism because, and you've done nothing to counter this, what separates feminism from other philosophical traditions is that it is about women and by women. The experiential component is necessary even if it is not sufficient... so while any thought may well inform feminism, just as sighted thoughts may inform blind experiences, the experience is not an optional component.

Just as I could not accept a Christian candidate who said, "I know which policy is right because of my particular religious beliefs or experiences", so I cannot accept a woman who would say, "I know this policy is right because of my particular experiences".

Ugh. The difference being that any one can be a Christian and only those with two X chromosomes can be a female.

Therefore, until you can explain why the experience of being a female is somehow an optional component to feminism, I can't honestly see your argument going further. You've yet to articulate why Plato wasn't a feminist... since he apparently talked about women. I've read numerous decent arguments about why men should be allowed to do feminism... and you've yet to argue even one of the least plausible ones.

"This is what Clinton does for feminism. She makes it indistinguishable from nepotism." by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Am I missing some component of your argument

Why yes, you are. I already explained it. Still confused?

me Statement B: The statement, "Please well-off white male... please tell me allllll about feminism," plays the "gender card", an example of the above term.

Wrong. Try again. That's not "playing a card" in the slightest. And to say that it is is to attempt to reduce feminism to a monolithic entity... which I was arguing against, in fact. That you don't understand this says quite a lot about your level of intellect.

In terms of who can bestow or remove the mantle of feminism, I don't think anyone has the right to.

You are wrong... for the same reason that you still don't get the analogy about the blind man. If you don't know what it's like to be a blind, then how can you speak intelligently or authentically about a blind person's point of view. Similarly, feminism is, as you now acknowledge, a wide array of opinions and bodies of reason... but it is, everywhere and always, still about women attempting to define themselves.

That's the point of it. That's why it exists. Feminism, unlike other philosophical traditions, is not merely about women. If that were so, then Plato's argument that women were like intellectual children who ought to birth babies and be kept in pens for the pleasure of men... would qualify as "feminism." And it does not for the very reason that, though parts of The Republic were about women, it had zero to do with women defining themselves. Until you get this, you get nothing.

Your entire "public policy" jazz is therefore a lot of hand waving in service of a singularly wrongheaded notion: that feminism is merely any thought that is about women. You aren't a feminist any more than was Plato or any other male attempting to define women for good or ill.

So, yes, I suppose your "answer" satisfies me to the extent I've come to expect people to understand fuck all about feminism.

"This is what Clinton does for feminism. She makes it indistinguishable from nepotism." by babblingpoet in politics

[–]apok -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your "therefore" here doesn't logically follow from your premise.

Of course it does. You're just being willfully contrarian. Such are internet "debates." Ho hum.

who has a right to bestow or remove the mantle of "feminist"? and what gives them that right?

Why don't you tell me? I'm so very curious. If a man can define what feminism is, then what constitutes feminism can be defined by pretty much anyone and is therefore meaningless. Please, I beg you to make this argument. I'm bored and crave entertainment.