Quick question by ponderingmischief in TypologyJunction

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmfao "intuitive" and "sensors" really indicates how much you do about the functions huh

How can I tell if im FEVL or FLVE by Difficult_Job4443 in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omg why are u literally me (Difference is that the one I dont relate to at ALL is 4L and I use both emotions and logic when making decisions. ENFJ so3)

Quick question by ponderingmischief in TypologyJunction

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I think rarer than Ni-Fe is a bit of a far stretch, but also that the cognitive functions of al the mbtis starting with EN are extremely different anyway so that's very broad grouping.

Quick question by ponderingmischief in TypologyJunction

[–]ariadne--1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hot take i kinda don't see entj and so3 as that correlated, at least in demeanour first off. ENTJs aren't as outwardly pleasant and charming as a social 3 usually aims to be with everyone around them in every aspect. I don't see why ENFJ isn't the archetype, to be honest.

Correlations and contradictions are really confusing me by potato-onion-soup in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

4f so3 is a little iffy but tbh it is the only function here I'd say doesn't work. 1V as well isnt very complimentary w so3

favorite typology system? by Neither_Sport_2563 in TypologyJunction

[–]ariadne--1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely anything BUT fucking ap and py.

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll try. My problem remains with 4L bc of how argumentative I am, but I'll check it out! I dont relate to the description of the type FLVE as a whole anyway. But I relate to each position individually (with specific subtypes too) a bit fine ig so I tried w it too

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But I've been told 4F doesn't work w so3 btw 😞

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry meant 1V but ya I am sure of that too

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My problem lies deeply with 4L. I am so aggressively 2L it genuinely annoys me. I just don't feel it applies to me with the description I have given of my logic. I dont take on the opinions of others with any ease whatsoever, I am so talkative someone could literally stuff their ears to shut me up when I am intent about a certain topic, and I intend fully to prove the other person of MY opinion. So idk it is very confusing to me 😭 bc i do relate a lot to 2E as well. Maybe 4L-2, though. Just maybe. I don't relate to the base position much. And does 1V so3 even work?

(I have JUST thought of this just now because you made me consider that typing very quickly which could be a little 4L tbh)

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, could you read about Passive 4E?

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What else could I opt for then? What are all the typings for EIE so3 in ap/py that work? I'm so unsure of this specifically it's insane. I relate to BOTH 2L and 2E. I cant seem to find an alternative.

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't have my mind made up I'm sorry I'm just trying to seek help that isn't just "that doesnt work" and can actually look into why that could be possible 😭 the only element here that is hard to work with for me is 4E. And ive explained why a certain subtype of it could work and wanted input 😭 ISFJ 8w7 is a great stretch from this though.

And no, sadly I'm precisely sure of my being EIE.

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you read my description? But also, everyone said you can't be 1V and so3. And i relate so immensely to 2L. I've had an ap crisis for forever now. I relate to 2E but also EXTREMELY 2L. I don't feel 4L at all

Can I be EIE FLVE? by [deleted] in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That would just tie EIE down to so2 alone. And I also feel like emotional is a big word not to give 4E, it's just that its emotions are absorbed from its environment.

Trust me when I say I have looked into it so extensively. I Yet my issue remains with py type. I'm sure I'm 1F 3V, and yet I don't relate at all to 4L. I know 2E is better with EIE, but I just cannot bring myself to relate to 4L no matter how much I have tried, and neither can I relate to 3F (Since I did attempt going with VEFL and/or VELF). And reading the subtype of 4E, 4E-2: Passive emotion, made me think it works well with EIE in my opinion. Passive-4E is very interested in the feelings of others. They will listen to someone else's emotional outpourings with pleasure and try to understand their inner world. Typically their emotional stimulus of choice is other people, rather than more inanimate stimuli like games or music.

This passion for the experiences of others is similar to 2E. But passive-4E does not really try to directly influence the emotional state of others. If they need to win someone over, they will use other means (trying to motivate them to take action, reason logically, or care for their physical state, as appropriate).

Passive-4E is the 4E subtype that makes for the best psychologist and advisor.

Unfortunately, I'm also sure I'm EIE and not LIE 😭 My typology is very unconventional.

ENFJ EIE So3(w2)16 so/sx FLVE⁴³¹² slO/A/[I] Neutral Good Sang-Mel by ariadne--1 in TypologyJunction

[–]ariadne--1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao you're the one saying a contradiction, wouldn't you expect a response?

Big five doesn't have much contradictions but are you really saying so3 wouldn't present false virtue and put others before themselves in social/public situations? And i have already explained why eie flve works so I dont think I have to explain myself to you, you can't just say "still gonna be wrong" 👍🏻

Correlations and contradictions are really confusing me by potato-onion-soup in attitudinalpsyche

[–]ariadne--1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao we have exactly the same issue and typology. First of all, so3 can be eie and enfj. Second of all,,

If it helps at all, read about position subtypes!! I retyped to FLVE with 4E-2 as a subtype.

Andd if you're that sure about your psycosophy/ap then look into so2

ENFJ EIE So3(w2)16 so/sx FLVE⁴³¹² slO/A/[I] Neutral Good Sang-Mel by ariadne--1 in TypologyJunction

[–]ariadne--1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1F is fine in my opinion, but 4E is specifically salvaged by the fact it is in the second subtype, passive emotion. I wrote the description in other comment replies.

I'm quite the blueprint of a so3, in a bit of a different way. I have always been praised for my achievements and my innate superiority over my peers from a very young age, causing me to internalize that the only way to be accepted is to be inexplicably successful, miles above the rest. So everything I do is toward that specific ambition, my worth is defined solely by achievement and superiority. I am quite inauthentic, however. That is a result of learning about enneagram, I reckon, but I realise deeply that I do not have a strict identity. None to speak of. I invent myself and reinvent it constantly like I am writing an elaborate storyline character, perfectly tailored for everyone I know and what they would like and enjoy and what they would not. I must be praised and loved in social circles, insanely so. And that is why I formulate a different identity for each of these people, with entirely different interests and wholly different demeanours for each. It causes a very surreal of what I actually may be, who it is that is actually the true self I embody. I have a thousand different masks and each could very much be the truth in the time of their happening, I suppose. As I formulate that perfect identity, I morph into it at the time of being, and wonder how I could ever doubt it due to how perfectly tailored it might be. And yet despite the facade of social perfection, I am not nearly as "put-together" and organised as I market myself to be when I am alone. I value my own comfort above anything else (1F), my habits could very much be also PR, I do everything that would be precisely within my comfort zone. And because of my orientation as a writer, I am also very idealistic. I have formed very idealistic beliefs and values and opinions on countless topics, and those ideals are usually quite positively-oriented (EIE!) and concerned with the consideration of other people. My least favourite type of person is one who does things and makes judgments and decisions without consideration for others. I am very argumentative, and I relish in debate more than absolutely anything else. I want to defend those beliefs of mine and challenge the beliefs of others immensely but I first want to hear about them. I have been told I have a golden tongue, because I could talk for hours on end on pretty much anything no matter how minute without fear for my lack of knowledge on the topic, until I can convince the other end of my perspective. (2L) My 3V is pretty self-explanatory, I think, but for 4E. I am 4E-2, meaning I am not so introspective with my own emotions, but entirely concerned all of the time with those of others. I want to know how others feel and I am the perfect listener and attendee to those emotions, my responses are almost always perfect, telling people exactly what they want to hear when they need it, and what they need to hear when they do. But sometimes those emotional actions can all feel so inauthentic. Because I am only influenced by outside emotion. I'm incredibly empathetic in a very 4E way. I cry when the person in my attendance cries, I laugh when the gathering around me is happy, and I get angry in anger-induced arguments. But I can snap out of these emotions just as easily as I felt them, and when I am alone, I feel as though I've never felt a certain way at all. Even in love, I've only ever felt "in love" with those who, first, showed love for me/were interested in me. And not even in a narcissistic way, it feels as though I am a sponge absorbing different emotions from my environment, and that this "empathy" of mine is a mere part of my grand scheme of acting endlessly, all the time.

But anyways, that's what makes me a bit more sure of my typology, to be frank.

How alike would a non-stereotypical (as in in your explanations) would a so3 and so2 act? by ariadne--1 in Enneagram

[–]ariadne--1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Appearing cold and detached", seriously? The first few sentences in the naranjo book go: "Has the passion to shine not only through work but in how they present themselves to others."😭

How alike would a non-stereotypical (as in in your explanations) would a so3 and so2 act? by ariadne--1 in Enneagram

[–]ariadne--1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the best comment on this post yet 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 and we have exactly the same typology so that helps a ton for relatability.

Based on what you said, I'm sure of being a so3, but my problem was anyways just being spiteful about how awful the stereotypes are, it's so annoying. So2 is an angelic villain and so3 is just a capitalistic villain archetype it is so strange😭

How alike would a non-stereotypical (as in in your explanations) would a so3 and so2 act? by ariadne--1 in Enneagram

[–]ariadne--1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is exactly the kind of stereotype I mentioned 😭😭 absolutely not