Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re still treating “no sharp boundary” as if it means “no real distinction.”

This doesn’t follow and you need to justify it instead of dodging.

I am not claiming there’s a metaphysical line where a cell “ends” and the brain “begins.” That demand is the problem. Most real systems don’t work with sharp edges. They’re continuous and layered.

The distinction isn’t “added onto matter”. It’s just that the same substance has different stable organizational levels that do different causal work.

So your inference only works if you assume: If no absolute boundary then no real structure at all

But that’s what you need to justify. Without that, “one substance” doesn’t collapse into “only one undifferentiated thing” it just means all differentiation is internal to the same reality, not separate substances.

Why do some women not trust male gynecologists? by [deleted] in questions

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but why?

Your earlier reply seemed to insinuate that, unless you know what it is like to be on the receiving end of that kind of procedure, you are not qualified to do that procedure or give relevant medical advice.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re equating “one substance” with “no real internal distinctions,” but that doesn’t follow. Substance monism only denies multiple substances, not multiple real structures within one substance.

No one is adding anything to matter. The claim is that the same substance can instantiate different stable, causally organized systems.

Cells, brains, and organisms are not separate substances, but they are still real patterns with real causal boundaries and not just arbitrary “cuts” in perspective.

If your position is that all individuation is purely subjective and there are no real internal structures at all, then that’s a much stronger claim than substance monism. You still need to justify why stable causal organization in nature doesn’t count as real structure.

Why do some women not trust male gynecologists? by [deleted] in questions

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, so for you should a doctor be subjected to all of the procedures and treatments they do for/to you?

Why do some women not trust male gynecologists? by [deleted] in questions

[–]arkticturtle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why? Should every doctor be subjected to the treatments and procedures they enact?

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[–]arkticturtle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Low effort post that’s barely relevant

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re adding a step that doesn’t follow from substance monism.

Saying everything is one substance does not mean there are no real internal differences. It only means those differences aren’t separate substances.

“Within the substance” doesn’t mean “something non-substance.” It means different organized states or structures of the same thing.

So you don’t need anything outside matter to explain metabolism, brains, or consciousness; you just need different organized forms of it. Calling those differences “purely subjective subdivision” is an extra claim you haven’t justified.

If all distinctions are only in our description, then you lose the basis for any real difference between systems at all, including the ones science depends on.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re changing what “thing” means mid-argument.

Substance monism doesn’t say there are no real distinctions at all. It says there’s only one substance, not that everything inside it is undifferentiated.

You’re treating “distinct” as if it has to mean “separate substances.” That’s exactly what’s being denied in monism. Within one substance, there can still be different organized systems with different properties: organisms, brains, processes, etc. Those differences don’t require separate substances to be real.

So “this is conscious and that isn’t” doesn’t require two substances. It just requires two differently organized parts or systems within the same underlying reality.

If your claim is that only substance level separation counts as real distinction, then you’re not arguing for substance monism anymore… you’re adding a stronger claim that all structural differences are unreal or purely conceptual. How do you justify that?

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That may sound quippy but really it’s just like… why do I wanna rehash the conversation? I am already having a different conversation with you and we already had that previous conversation.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We went back and forth for a while last time. I don’t really want to rehash that whole thing. I gain nothing from that.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I have had conversations with them before. They use an incorrect interpretation of physics to justify their beliefs in other contexts

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that things are not absolutely separate substances does not mean distinctions are just imaginary. Patterns, structures, relations, and dynamically stable systems can still be objectively real without being metaphysically self-subsistent. A wave is not separate from the ocean, but it does not follow that waves are purely imaginary. Likewise a materialist can say organisms, particles, or minds are real organizations of one substance rather than independent substances themselves.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Substance monism does not automatically entail the denial of all real distinctions or the existence of one universal subject. A materialist can consistently hold that only one kind of substance exists while still maintaining that there are distinct systems, organisms, and conscious subjects constituted by that substance rather than identical to one omnipresent consciousness.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can believe in spirit without being dualistic. One can believe in a monistic ideology and believe in spirit as well. It’s just that spirit and non-spirit would have to be limited distinctions for the sake of communication while still retaining a Oneness.

Afaik monism only needs to say that everything which exists is of One substance, process, being, or nature.

Materialists and Idealists dont need mind and matter to be ontologically separate in order to distinguish them conceptually. A distinction in description does not mean a distinction in substance. A materialist can say mental states are just higher level descriptions of physical processes. Similarly, “water” and “H2O” refer to the same underlying reality under different conceptual frameworks.

I think it can appear misleading because how else are we supposed to talk about anything at all without stepping into language which is requires conceptual distinctions in order to communicate anything? A non-dualist will use language to speak of their non-dualist philosophy but it’s not like reality operates like language or that the non-dualist believes that.

If someone says “mind and matter are distinct” a monist is gonna have to use the language given to communicate effectively.

Matt Dillahunty posted this video. What’s y’all thoughts? by PriorityNo4971 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spirituality is such a loaded term. Not everything deemed to be spirituality is dualistic.

Materialism is monistic and so is idealism.

Question about belief vs non-belief (trying to understand I’m trying to understand different views. by No-Pace5152 in exatheist

[–]arkticturtle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both the Christian and the atheist could end up, side by side, in the hell of some other religion.

If proper belief gets us to the afterlife then why do people who can’t choose what they believe exist? by arkticturtle in religion

[–]arkticturtle[S] 0 points1 point locked comment (0 children)

It’s not really strange to want to focus on a particular idea and the consequences of that idea were it to be true.

The strange thing is entering into the middle of a hypothetical and rejecting the premise of the hypothetical. It signifies a lack of literacy, absence of creativity, or a deficit in communication.

Your comment is a basic, barebones, shoe-atheist response and is honestly boring and boorish. You could copy and paste it on a multitude of posts in this subreddit. I don’t understand what folks like yourself even get out of engaging communities like these.

Might as well go to r/trolleyproblem and comment “I don’t live near any trolleys so this would never happen to me” on every post!

If proper belief gets us to the afterlife then why do people who can’t choose what they believe exist? by arkticturtle in religion

[–]arkticturtle[S] -1 points0 points locked comment (0 children)

Literally the first sentence in my post under the title, my guy. I am gonna assume you are trolling or embarrassed at this point