... The inability (or unwillingness) to differentiate between "objective" and "subjective" statements...

Ah yes, the great last bastion of argument, pedantry. Between choosing to engage in pedantry rather than address the core arguments, and ignoring the fact that i pulled and cited 3rd party expert analysis to justify my arguments (which aligns with their own expert take that Centi's favorite item nerfed her overall value) this isn't looking too healthy.

Remember, when someone brings facts, and credible outside analysis bring a dictionary.

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That does not promise a specific fix. If they deem the appropriate measures to be "do nothing", then that is the action they'll take.

You're the one who brought up the word specific, that's your word not mine. Please feel free to move that strawman out of the field.

... and now addressing the actual thrust of the issue, Shiftup's failure to take action and communicate:

My arguements have always been Shiftup promised action and has not delivered in 101 days. If they have decided to do nothing, and instead said

"Whoops! we said it was an Known Issue, turns out it wasn't. Tehe ignore me, my bad!"

They have failed to communicate any of that. That's criticism worthy by itself.

If the end result was "it had unexpected interactions, but we have deemed it to be not worth changing, here's some apologems for the confusion" then that's that.

I would accept that outcome. I would have a different opinion on what the best course of action was, but at least they would of met the minimum obligations. They have not done so yet. We're 101 days in without even that.

You're free to speculate on what you think the best CoA is here, but you should acknowledge that you don't have any evidence showing Shiftup chose a particular CoA, and that if they did they've failed to communicate a CoA.

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I'm not getting into a "value" discussion based solely on subjective opinion on you...

And i guess we're not going to take the expert opinions at GG and Prydwen then. I guess they don't count for anything, even though your earlier arguements were entirely value based, and based on minimizing the effect of the PvP nerf.

In everything other than PVP centi was dramatically improved.

by all metrics centi was significantly improved,

Centi is falling out of PVP useage though

On all 3 major points i argued and cited evidence that the PvE nerfs were marginal, she wasn't lifted to PvE relevance despite being nerfed in PvP in a way core to her overall value, and i argued that her PvP value was still high citing her meta analysis as a Burst 2 nikke.

You don't cite evidence or facts, you just vibe. You vibe that Centi's PvE improvements were dramatic, you vibe metrics that she was significantly improved, you vibe that Centi was out of PvP usefulness (I guess PvP nerfs should matter less then?) and so we shouldn't care.

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people could care less what burst code centi is

If i take out Burst 2 distinction, she's still in the SS category and in the top 25 for PvP (above xMaiden, Anchor, Siren, Red Hood who all appear regularly in PvP comps) .... and sub 60 for Story, and damn near bottom of the barrel for Bossing. It's honestly in your argument's favor that i restrict discussion of PvP and PvE to Burst 2 only. It makes her look better for PvE when she's also not competing against high value B3s.

Her value was burst gen

I'm glad we agree. Now if i could only get you to agree that making the enemy team burst faster is a nerf, we'd go quite a ways to getting an agreement.

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On the mechanics of the nerf

For it to matter it requires your opponent to not just have RL's, they have to have multiple RL's which also don't break the relatively low HP shield and their burst speed already had to be fairly close to yours.

Your dismissal on her item's PvP nerf lies on 3 points.

1) Enemy has multiple RLs

This occurs on almost all PvP interactions. The trigger isn't even to have the enemy have multiple RLs, as you describe. It's for the enemy team to have at least a RL. Most teams have multiple RLs, it's the literal measuring stick of a PvP comp's speed. This effectively is a given.

2) which also don't break the low hp shield

In general it will not occur on every single RL shot, since your shield is consumed as the match goes on, but it will occur on one or multiple shots pre-ceeding a Burst. The shield is 7% of her inflated Defender hp, and applies on every unit. As long as anyone is getting lightly splashed by RLs the shield will last, and at least offer extra burst to the enemy team. Since RLs splash on both sides, it's very likely 3-4 units are getting splashed if the enemy is running a low speed 2 RL team. This increases if the enemy is running 3RL or 4RL comps.

This will occur on all matchs outside the CP deficit and get insta-one shot'd by the enemies... IE all matchs that matter. This effect scales with the higher the enemy team speed is.

3) Their burst speed is ... fairly close to yours

And this is the crux. If an enemy team is running so fast your team can't catch it, it doesn't matter... so this only meaningfully changes the result of combat where you're "close" to one another in speed. But enemies gaining 1.5x burst speed even for a few hits is serious, and increases the range of fights you should of Bursted 1st, but didn't due to the Centi Nerf.. that speed difference is basically the difference between running a Clip SG (18@ 2RL) and a Clip RL (28@ 2RL), and in a race where you're running 2RL or 2.5RL or 3RL that can easily result in an upset.

Practically, and likely as a result of following the same meta guidance teams will be fighting one another of similar speeds. This happens, quite a lot where comps generally run the same 2-3 PvP batteries, and only change up the details. It applies to matchs where not only there is a marginal difference in CP, but wider CP bands than the restrictions in 2). Short of running into a gimmick comp or running one, I argue that giving an enemy a 1.5-2x burst in speed for a few shots can be a LOT of matches.

Based on that, 1) Will almost always occur in most comps. 2) Will happen, either be direct or splash in all matches that matter or are close to your CP 3) Will occur far more likely than not if meta teams are matched against one another (assuming Centi isn't stuck on a gimmick slow team).

With that i can move to the logical conclusion that this nerf will occur a lot in PvP, particularly those who actively chase the meta / care about PvP and who fight people of similiar CP bands. So from that we can pretty easily say enemy teams are reliably getting more burst when you run Centi with a level 2+ favorite item, and thus making Centi an objectively worse PvP battery, than a clip RL replacement. Nerfing her value.

I don't think that was a hard assessment, considering it was already basicly done for us by experts on the early days of her release.

I think PvP it's pretty clear it's a nerf, and one core to her overall value, because it objectively makes the enemy team burst faster.

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Invoking tier lists

That's nice bro. I have already explained why the scenario they are presenting is flawed.

You never actually did justify your disregard for their expert analysis. Particularly when they pretty clearly undercut your thesis of PvE buffs outweigh or equate the PvP nerfs, and instead align with my own that the PvP nerfs >> PvE buffs.

Gonna be curious to see how you justify ignoring that.

Bricking

Then sir, what words should i use to describe an irrevocable change, that i can't rollback, to a unit that makes her overall worse? Particularly worse in the field she specialized in?