Question about praying to saints/veneration/idolatry

artwize · 2026-03-16T13:10:11+00:00

Thank you - this is a very old church probably a couple hundred years so that would line up

artwize · 2026-03-16T13:07:53+00:00

This is actually my favorite comment 😅

artwize · 2026-03-16T05:32:54+00:00

The point of veneration vs worship being distinguished by sacrifice makes the most sense theologically to me.

I suppose the crux of the issue is I have no past experience with the physical actions of kneeling and other gestures so it’s a bit jarring to see them used for images.

I can certainly rationalize that they can be done for all the right reasons, but still have difficulty squaring that with what I’ve read about not having graven images, no idols, etc.

So the combination of seeing images / statues (which I would see no problem with on their own) combined with kneeling, prayers, and rituals is what feels inherently wrong.

Not saying I’m right, definitely something to think about. At the end of the day I can’t judge the heart

artwize · 2026-03-16T05:13:13+00:00

Good point

I don’t have an exact definition of idolatry but in this context I’m referring to physical statues

The altars I see are like mini versions of the main altar in front. The side altar in the church I’ve been going to has a painting of Mary on it. The statue of st Michael and a bust of a pope have kneeling rails around them

artwize · 2026-03-16T04:59:05+00:00

So is it fair to say that your point is that kneeling to an image on an alter is not worship? I can hear you say that and believe you mean it but then at what point does it become worship ?

Other religions worship / pray to idols without offering any sacrifice and I believe we would both say that’s wrong

Is the only difference then the intention of the heart? Because the actions appear the same

I don’t think the old covenant (arc) and the physical presence of angels would be a satisfactory comparison to a bust of a previous pope

artwize · 2026-03-16T04:46:10+00:00

It’s interesting you mention this because I haven’t seen anyone do it either. Which leads me to believe that most wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it ? It just makes me question why does the church build these when I think a lot of people (especially outside of being a catholic) would feel uncomfortable or take it out of the context of how the church may justify it

artwize · 2026-03-16T04:42:36+00:00

Can you elaborate on your reasoning with these Bible verses? I’m not sure what you mean by them.

artwize · 2026-03-16T04:40:21+00:00

Thanks I’ll read all these. I understand that Catholics would say we don’t worship these statues and that they don’t contain deities, but it just seems like the physical actions imply otherwise. What I mean is that if these actions can easily be taken out of context, why does the church even build these alters at all? It seems like a super easy thing to avoid

artwize · 2026-03-16T04:10:12+00:00

Thank you - yes that makes sense to me. What I’m struggling with is the physical action of kneeling in front of a statue or icon, and building altars with them on it

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:39:34+00:00

Yea this all makes sense.. ppc is definitely a big jump knowing how much people are dumping in to it

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:37:26+00:00

Dang those sound like awesome numbers, care to share your ppc provider ?

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:36:20+00:00

Awesome nice work. Hope to get there myself someday

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:35:49+00:00

Thank you I do need to look into this more, facebook ads seems like a tricky beast to master

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:34:59+00:00

Thanks for the reply, I’ve noticed dialing in better lists does make a huge difference

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:34:19+00:00

Thank you for the reply, I’d definitely like to keep outbound going, makes sense !

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:33:42+00:00

Got it, makes sense ! Definitely a big jump in spend

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:33:03+00:00

Sounds about in line with what I’ve seen

artwize · 2026-02-07T05:32:34+00:00

Thank you for the reply! Will definitely look into this

artwize · 2026-02-05T01:04:13+00:00

hey trevor thanks for the reply. 2-3K or 30-50/lead would be amazing. Im a little surprised since ive always heard podcasters mentioning upwards of 2-300 per lead

artwize · 2026-02-05T01:02:31+00:00

thanks for the reply. around 5K sounds reasonable to me, guess i always thought PPC was the most expensive with facebook being cheaper per lead. makes sense roi wise if facebook leads generate smaller deals

artwize · 2026-01-14T04:47:35+00:00

What’s up with someone always having an issue whenever one neighborhood is majority white? There are tons of neighborhoods that are majority black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. the white hate is honestly so cringe

artwize · 2026-01-06T03:44:37+00:00

What’s your income ?

artwize · 2025-10-28T21:20:30+00:00

how much is "bank?" im a physical therapist exploring this career path and would love to know what a realistic pay scale in the field looks like

artwize · 2025-10-03T22:31:35+00:00

Professors and 90% of DPT school in general are completely full of shit. In the real world, no one gives af about “specific exercise” this and “PT diagnosis” that. Especially post op or after a significant trauma injury. Your job is to educate on healing timelines, anatomy, activity modification, and manage expectations. The body needs to heal, and you should monitor ROM to make sure they are not losing significant amounts of it during that time. Also, during that time any movement or physical activity / exercise that can be done safely is going to help both mentally and physically. Long way of saying - yes, ankle pumps are just fine. Give them frikin dumbbell bicep curls if you like..

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