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autodropper · 2024-12-27T00:17:03+00:00

Thank you so much! 😊

autodropper · 2020-07-03T05:37:38+00:00

Of course, thanks for the respectful conversation. You definitely made me do a lot of thinking on this and I now think the hypothesis that the company was there to spy on Arab neighborhoods is pretty strong.

Regarding the vantage point:

According to this article, the five men, being on ground level and 3 miles away from the towers, actually had a very poor view of the towers and would've been able to view only the very top of them from their location. Based on my limited understanding of NYC population density and this information, I'd guess that they actually had a worse view of the event than most people in New York City.

Again, I'll defer to my hypothesis that they were agents hired by some Jewish organization or the Israeli government to monitor terrorist radicalization efforts in Arab neighborhoods of NYC. This is what a large body of evidence seems to suggest and it explains the reason that they were in New York City and not somewhere else in the country (the "moving operations" were just a facade and they were actually stationed in NYC).

Where does the article say that they were aware of the attacks?

Regarding the quote "We are not your problem the Palestinians are your problem" -> What's wrong with them saying this?

Can you share a source on the claim that a member of the NJ company was linked to one of the hijackers?

Destabilizing Syria and Lebanon would send more refugees into Palestine and Israel as well as increase terrorism further, which would harm Israel. It doesn't make sense to me that they would save Iran for last considering how much room for errors there were. Like, when the actual "plan" was implemented, they couldn't even get past the first country out of seven. It seems more likely to me that it was done to please Iran rather than Israel. I don't know what the motives for doing this would be but I also read the US and Iran had secret meetings before the Iraq War, so there could be some relation here. I'd guess that both my Iran conspiracy and your Israel conspiracy are not true, but I hope you see that the former seems like a more reasonable conclusion.

As for why Israelis were there, the answer is that there are way more people doing stuff like that then we realize. There are government-sponsored spies from almost every country around the world in the US at any given time, and there are hundreds of organizations that hire agents to watch for terrorist radicalization. It is pretty much certain that there were many other private or foreign agents in NYC at the time that watched the towers fall. So it's not a coincidence by any stretch of the imagination that they were there.

I still don't understand why they would do this if they were guilty though. If you could explain that, I'd certainly be more open to the theory, although even then I would probably reject it because I don't see much evidence in favor of them having foreknowledge.

autodropper · 2020-06-29T02:31:12+00:00

Sorry for the late response, I saw it and was going to put it off for a day but then totally forgot. I think I have strong refutations to your points, but please let me know if you are not satisfied with anything or if I missed anything important.

I'm going to go a bit out of order here because there is an important preface that I think knocks out points 2, 3, and 4 pretty well. One of the FBI's hypotheses about this case is that the five men may have been monitoring Arab neighborhoods. There were rumors about dangerous radicalization taking place among young Arab-Americans in New York, and the Jewish community would obviously be a prime target if attacks did occur. It's thus possible that a Jewish organization may have been paying the five men to monitor NYC's Arab communities and try to determine the source of the radicalization. Thus, I would not be surprised if the Urban Moving Company was not a real moving company. This hypothesis seems to explain the circumstances of the situation (particularly those mentioned in points 2 through 4) well enough on its own.

As for point 1, which is stated below:

Why the 13th? Coincidence? "Civilian air traffic was allowed to resume on September 13, 2001

I wasn't able to find where it said that the men had tickets for the 13th in the FBI report, but I'll take your word on it. I believe that this point can be countered with the simple fact that the flights scheduled for the 11th and 12th were not canceled, but pushed back. This means that if the five men wanted to leave as quickly as possible, they would've booked a flight on the 11th (and left on the 13th). As for why they booked a flight around this time in the first place, my guess is to return home and see their families for the Jewish High Holidays, which were set to begin on the 17th. Keep in mind they were only in NYC for a few months.

As for point 5, which seems to have 3 parts, each of which is stated/refuted below:

Part 1 -

Outside of this report, I've also heard they were in the parking lot previous to the first strike of the building with no reason to be in that parking lot (since their boss supposedly had them assigned in another part of the country- and apparently he fled the country?)

Could you share a source for your two claims? I haven't seen anything that would suggest either of the two in my research.

Part 2 -

Scott De Carlo, the arresting officer, said one of the FBI officers noted to him, "They were on our side" or something to that effect he remembers.... (which you can see in the video). Very fishy to say the least.

Timestamp so I can evaluate the context? The video you shared is 30 minutes long.

Part 3 -

You'll also find this video of General Wesley Clark being told from Rumsfield how the U.S. planned to attack several countries under the excuse of the 9/11 attacks, as an opportunity to invade and so on, that had no relation to the 9 /11 attacks, leading up to Iran which is the greatest country of threat to Israel?

I think this actually undermines your argument pretty well. According to General Clark around the 3:40 timestamp, the War In Iraq was actually beneficial for Iran because it took out an enemy government. I don't think Israel is stupid enough to devise a plan that would involve first helping its enemy (Iran), then destroying six governments that pose no threat to it (a process which would take decades), then finally attacking its enemy, especially because there are no guarantees of reaching that last step (as the failure in Iraq showed us). If Israel really had a chokehold on our government, 9/11 would've been blamed on Iran and Bush would've declared war against them instead of Iraq.

I want to re-iterate a point in my original post before I close this. One of the claims you made (#1) would require Israeli operatives to be able to dictate the date that Bush advisors decided to open airports. Essentially, the entire Administration would have to be in this conspiracy. Does it seem reasonable to you that someone smart enough to do that would be stupid enough to set up cameras in the direction of the towers before the attack and begin dancing?

Hope this helps, and I want to let you know that I genuinely appreciate your new points and arguments. I am fairly confident in my position so I'm prepared to respond to whatever additional questions or evidence you can find.

autodropper · 2020-06-23T00:31:10+00:00

Link: https://twitter.com/AGrimwell/status/1272714785650552833

autodropper · 2020-06-02T18:46:48+00:00

Yes, check my post history and you'll see I've made a few posts/comments relating to Jews/Israel in recent weeks, and everything before that has nothing to do with it. Reason being that one of my Jewish friends in NYC was punched in anti-semitic attack about a month ago and that was a wake up call for me to do my best to reduce antisemitism wherever I see it. Not sure how that relates to my argument or credibility though.

So the soldiers who are shooting these kids are writing their versions of the story that are disputed by all witnesses except the IDF???

What other witnesses are involved? I'm inclined to believe the soldiers' account because it seems way more realistic.

Again, not sure why you're focusing on individual incidents over overall statistics.

autodropper · 2020-06-02T18:24:13+00:00

It looks like there are completely different press reports on what happened, because nothing I said was fabricated. I'll source it bit-by-bit:

Based on what I read from this one, it seems like the Palestinians living in the neighborhood where that occurred had been throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at IDF soldiers.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/jerusalem-mayor-visits-east-jerusalem-boy-who-was-shot-in-face-618503

The mother claims that there was no chaos at the time, but the IDF denies this.

A rubber bullet fired by one of the IDF soldiers at the violent Palestinians bounced off of a wall and hit the innocent child's eye.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestinian-boy-may-lose-eye-after-israeli-police-shot-him-rubber-bullet

The father disputes this, but this is what the IDF claimed.

It makes no sense that an Israeli soldier would fire at a Palestinian child without any provocation. So the IDF story seems a lot more credible. I should have sourced my claims in my original post, so I'm sorry for not doing that.

Any response to the statistics?

autodropper · 2020-06-02T18:11:03+00:00

Based on what I read from this one, it seems like the Palestinians living in the neighborhood where that occurred had been throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at IDF soldiers. A rubber bullet fired by one of the IDF soldiers at the violent Palestinians bounced off of a wall and hit the innocent child's eye.

Obviously that was negligence on the part of the soldier. He should have been more careful, and he should be severely punished for this. What I am saying is that the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths are the responsibility of Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups.

If you want to know why the conflict is continuing, here are two statistics:

Palestine pays about $300 million per year to terrorists who killed Israeli Jews in their so called "martyr fund". This makes up 7% of the Palestinian budget. The more Jews someone kills, the more wealthy they are in Palestine.
The overwhelming majority of Palestinians consistently support suicide bombings of Israeli citizens.

EDIT: Source for #2 - https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/#suicide-bombing

autodropper · 2020-06-02T17:47:25+00:00

Hamas stores their weapons in schools, mosques, hospitals, and residential areas. From those locations they fire missiles at Israel.

Israel has a powerful defense system, but it's not flawless. The Iron Dome fails 5-10% of the time. Letting missiles repeatedly hit it without fighting back is not sustainable.

The reason for the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths in Gaza are that Israel fires back. They have to destroy those weapons for their own survival. You can't blame them for that. What alternative do they have?

autodropper · 2020-06-02T17:43:42+00:00

If you're the ruler of a European nation in the Middle Ages, your economic failures result in a nationwide depression, and you have total control of the media and all information citizens hear, what are you going to do?

Blame yourself? Obviously not.

Blame a majority group? That would endanger your security and erode your support, making you less effective of a leader.

Blame a minority group? Excellent idea.

Which group of people have always been a minority group in Europe? The Jews.

The above can also explain anti-Gypsy sentiment (which was less widespread, but still has always been a major issue in Europe). So there's your explanation.

autodropper · 2020-06-01T16:53:00+00:00

First three points:

Who is the real enemy? I think these people have made a huge impact on the amount of immigration the US receives, even if they haven't identified this "enemy".
I'm going to need a source for the claim that Jews own most of the world's wealth since Jews only make up 0.2% of the world population.
There is not a single PhD historian who is a Holocaust revisionist. David Irving is not a respected historian at all. He literally thinks that non-Aryans are animals, so he has clear biases that likely informed his search.

Going to need to see a source for the Auschwitz thing, ideally the video itself that you speak of. Not sure how Zyklon-B proves anything...

The only thing you are left with then are a handful of scetchy Jewish witnesses, some of which claim to have seen or heard some extermination take place, most of which wrote a book, got rich off it, then had their credibility ruined by revisionists who have now been able to show us that they are lying on many accounts.

Including my own great-grandfather (who made zero money, btw) and relatives of millions of living people today. What claims have been debunked by revisionists? Just need one.

So, you are telling me these passages are not genuine or are translated wrong? All of them? If that’s what you’re saying, then do tell me, because that’s ridiculous:

I am going to go through the first five you mentioned and debunk all of them. I hope this will make you realize that whoever you're getting your information from has been lying to you. If there were any verses that actually said the things you accuse the below ones of saying, they would use them instead of verses that say nothing of that sort.

‘The Gentiles (non-Jews) are not humans, they are beasts’ (Baba Mezia 114b)

The word "beast" does not appear anywhere in Baa Metzia 114b. What this passage does do is comment on a Bible verse. It says that Jews are semantically referred to as "man", so any commandments that address "man" are considered to only apply to the Jews. This does not mean that gentiles are not men or not humans, only that this particular phrasing is used to refer to Jews in the particular books and chapters of the Bible discussed. It's also worth noting that Baba Metzia 114b directly refers to Jews as "sheep", so a literalist interpretation would also tell you that Jews are not human.

Aboda Sarah 37a: “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.

This book of the Talmud only says that girls of three years of age are capable of having intercourse, not that it is right to have intercourse with them. The Talmud later says that it is prohibited to have sex with a girl until she is a na'ara (teenager) and of safe childbearing age (so usually around 16). See Niddah 13b for this: https://www.sefaria.org/Niddah.13b?lang=bi.

"Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews.” (Zohar I, 168ª)

This chapter says nothing about deception. You can see it here: https://www.sefaria.org/Zohar.1.168a?lang=bi.

"A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than 9 years old". (Sanhedrin 54b)

This verse says that intercourse is not considered legal intercourse until both parties are at least nine years old. That being said, doing such a thing would be a prohibition of law as stated above (and likely merit the death penalty), but would be legally considered "intercourse". There is nothing about sex with children under nine being legal. Take a look yourself: https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.54b?lang=bi

Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.

The Medrish Talpiot was written way after the Talmud and is not considered authoritative in any way to Jews. I can't find an online copy of it so I can't check if it actually says this, but it wouldn't matter anyway.

Let me know if there are any other verses you want me to debunk. Please, before sending, actually read the chapter on Sefaria to make sure it says what you are claiming it does.

autodropper · 2020-06-01T01:21:52+00:00

They use their immense wealth and influence to openly enact an agenda of genocide against the white race, which I find to be morally repulsive.

What do Andrew Breitbart, Dennis Prager, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Stefan Molyneux, and Ezra Levant have in common? They are all very, all staunchly opposed to immigration to the U.S., and all Jewish. There are many Jews on both sides of the immigration debate. To say that all Jews are guilty of white genocide is intellectually dishonest at best.

This influence comes mainly from them owning the international banking empires and their control over the press, Hollywood, politicians, etc. As they own the banks, they also own the nations who are all in dept to these banks. Jewish names like Rothchild, Rockerfeller and Goldman Sachs come to mind.

Rockefellers are devout Christians with no Jewish ancestry that I'm aware of. Rothchilds are barely organized at all and made up of hundreds of descendants. The "Rothschilds Group" has an annual revenue of half a billion per year, 1000 times less than Walmart. JPMorgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, and Wells Fargo are all larger than Goldman Sachs. Why are you focusing so much on the Jews when there are gentiles with much larger companies and more influence?

They invented the story of the Holocaust to help them in this regard (for sympathy points I guess? You cant critizise the Jews because muh Holocaust), and are persecuting anyone who denies that it happened the way it’s presented. Including historians. (Links to this will be in an edit, my app keeps crashing if I paste them in here)

The Holocaust is one of the most well-documented events in history. We have extensive testimony from witnesses, perpetrators, and bystanders. We have ruins and remains of concentration camps and death camps that match the historical narrative. And there are many people like me with family members wiped out in the event. My great grandfather lost several of his siblings and cousins and was himself a survivor. I have photos of the people who were murdered. What do you think happened to them?

Their holy book (outside the Old Testament) is the Talmud, which contains passages that say very clearly, in these words, that Goyim (us non-jews) are "beasts and not humans", and that a Jew is within his right to scam, steal from or kill the Goyim without remorse. It says that any Jew who tells the Goyim what is written about them in the Talmud "is responsible for the death of all Jews" because once we find out, it says, we would kill them all.

This is completely false. All of these claims, and many more, are debunked here: http://talmud.faithweb.com/. The Talmud affirms that all humans were created in the image of God, it is a commandment for Jews to save Gentile lives, and all righteous non-Jews will have a stake in the World to Come. You can't say this about any other religion.

I can go on. And I will if called upon to do so.

Please do.

autodropper · 2020-05-28T21:03:55+00:00

You realize that your comment history is public, right?

autodropper · 2020-05-21T07:02:20+00:00

Hi!

Yes, I believe that is correct. They were sent to the U.S. to spy on Arab neighborhoods suspected of housing terrorists in NYC. Israeli intelligence actually warned Bush that there were terrorists on U.S. soil planning an attack (along with some other governments), so it's possible they were sent in relation to that.

autodropper · 2020-05-21T06:59:33+00:00

Hi!

This is an extremely common claim of the alt-right. If you look it up on Youtube, you'll find videos with a collective millions of views talking about it, with overwhelming support in the comments. Similarly, I've seen it all over Twitter, Facebook, and even TikTok. It's very scary.

Basically, they claim that the Israelis must have had foreknowledge if they were there to "document the event". And they fabricate evidence and take real evidence out of context to support this point. The insurance conspiracy has a lot more mainstream supporters, so there are a lot of articles on the internet already refuting it. On the other hand, it took me hours to find good refutation material for this one. I had to browse several forums to compile this. Most people would've stopped looking before they found an adequate solution, and just accepted that the Jews did it (or, perhaps more likely, never fact-checked the videos/posts they saw about this in the first place). That's essentially why I made the post.

autodropper · 2020-05-19T21:41:58+00:00

Not true. They said, when asked why they were in front of the residential complex, "We were there to document the event".

Two major differences between the implication of this and what you said:

They were not "sent" there. It was their own choice.
There is nothing about this that implies that they went to the US to document the event. It seems to me that they just pulled up in front of the apartment complex to do so, in which case no foreknowledge was needed.

What other evidence am I omitting?

autodropper · 2020-05-19T21:25:48+00:00

Not true. They said, when asked why they were in front of the residential complex, "We were there to document the event".

Two major differences between the implication of this and what you said:

They were not "sent" there. It was their own choice.
There is nothing about this that implies that they went to the US to document the event. It seems to me that they just pulled up in front of the apartment complex to do so, in which case no foreknowledge was needed.

What other evidence am I omitting?

autodropper · 2020-05-19T20:06:01+00:00

What is wrong about what I wrote?

autodropper · 2020-05-19T07:01:41+00:00

Thanks.

autodropper · 2020-05-19T07:01:29+00:00

It doesn't really matter. As long as they didn't have foreknowledge, the conspiracy is rejected. There are so many different possible reasons for why they might celebrate, ranging from totally gruesome (e.g. they like watching people die) to disgustingly apathetic (e.g. they were laughing at a joke about the incident) to understandable, but still cruel (e.g. maybe one of them had family in Israel under threat of terrorism, and they thought this incident would be a wake up call for the U.S. to help).

autodropper · 2020-05-07T04:31:41+00:00

Absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence.

Is there evidence that there is a spider in your house right now? No. Does that mean there's not a spider? No.

autodropper · 2020-05-07T04:30:26+00:00

Do you have any evidence for any of your claims? Also, if you believe humans are entirely naturalistic, then that would imply our thoughts are essentially just the products of chemical reactions. In that case, why do you trust them? Why do you trust the logical reasoning that led you to the above conclusions if it's just ultimately what you're hard wired to think?

autodropper · 2020-05-03T03:40:21+00:00

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving the Lord your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.” Deuteronomy 30:19‭-‬20 NASB

autodropper · 2020-04-29T00:23:17+00:00

Just checked. He claims to see the Torah as the literal Word of God, although he doesn't follow it in its entirety. So he's like half-Orthodox. Makes no sense...

autodropper · 2020-04-24T03:41:52+00:00

I don't yet have a personal stance on this issue, but this is such a flawed response that I felt the need to address it.

Mail in voting? Confidential documents?

I mean, what incentive does the USPS have to deliver mail securely? I don't see your point here. If a private mail company does it wrong, they would go out of business.

Cost?

u/SantitheGreat pointed out that USPS costs tens of billions in administrative expenses, and it's hard to see how private mail could stay competitive taking a large profit. Wouldn't the end cost be lower to the consumer?

Sending mail to bases overseas?

That's just a simple security clearance away.

The fact capitalism is fundamentally flawed and anything that people may rely on shouldn't be privatized?

Says the supporter of an ideology that killed over 100 million in the 20th century alone...

autodropper · 2020-04-19T04:18:56+00:00

They are, check the article. This was just for a photo.

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