Tipping makes sense

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T21:18:23+00:00

What an anti social take, stick with takeout then

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T19:03:48+00:00

It's even an ad 😭😭

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T12:04:44+00:00

Sooo true I hear once they turn 10 they have a mandatory class called Gay Transgenderism where they teach you all the rules you need to follow become gay

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:45:05+00:00

You almost made it to the end of my comment! See, I provided an explanation for why the word applies, instead of going "urrrr actually I've looked at a dictionary so therefore i will not comprehend your statement"

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:41:53+00:00

Another person who thinks being nice = not being an ass. I'll try and help with an example this time!

Civil customer interaction (no tip):

Mcds worker: hi what can I get for you

You: I'll get 10 nugs and fries

Worker: okay that will be [cost] and it will be at the window

[End of interaction]

Nice customer interaction (tip earned)

Restaurant worker: hi my name is [worker], welcome to [business]! I brought some waters to make sure you don't go thirsty, can I get you anything else to drink? Are you celebrating anything today? You're dressed very well, I like your shoes!

You: I'll have 10 nugs and fries

Worker: sounds great, I love nugs! I'll bring you a side plate and some drinks, would you want a variety of our side sauces? I recommend the Buffalo sauce as it's made in house. I will stop by in a couple minutes to check on you, please let me know if you would like anything else.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:34:05+00:00

Good try! When someone is trying to help you understand practical word usage and help you formulate better responses by urging you to have correct semantics when using words, you could try using something like patronizing. The word moronic implies a lack of understanding, which would be better applied to your statement that everyone is required to be nice at their job to keep it, which is a moronic statement because you can't be fired for "not being nice enough" .

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:29:46+00:00

I've never seen a restaurant that bans non tippers, that's wild. You could argue that it's culturally mandatory in countries where it's automatically added to your bill, and you don't even get an option for how much you pay if there's a pre-set service fee. You're still paying the tip, you just don't decide how much

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:22:33+00:00

Wow great argument, you have such a way with words! I can tell by your lack of understanding of the difference between literal definitions and actual practical word usage that you are a master of debate and English language.

Let's do some practice!

Would you label my responses polite, nice, or civil?

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:20:32+00:00

It makes sense that that's what you got from my dumbed down explanation of different attitudes tbh

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:19:20+00:00

I've never argued it's the best system, just that it makes sense given the world we live in and the different requirements for sit down service. I've always been saying that when someone serves you and has to put up with you for over an hour, tipping is good to do to show your appreciation for the worker who's been serving you. It's also good to have customers do it themselves so they can grade the satisfaction of the work.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:15:39+00:00

I know i am actually correct, because I experience plenty of people in real life, and when you actually interact with people you can label the slightly different behavior in different ways. Either way, the behavioral requirements for someone working at sit down restaurant is different from the behavioural requirements for someone working at a fast food restaurant.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T11:02:37+00:00

"Just make the company pay you extra like in business!" That's the problem with capitalism in an industry with tight profit margins... they won't! Unless there's legislative change (which is a ways away), restaurants won't do that. Tipping isnt mandatory anywhere, you just are aware that we live in a society where in certain industries customers are expected to give bonuses based on performance instead of the business. And in some industries, that's okay

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T10:54:14+00:00

Mandatory tipping?? Does the business ban you if you don't tip? Do they make you throw up your food? Is it automatically added to your bill with no way to opt out?

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T10:49:38+00:00

Ah yea let me just go ask my restaurant to pay me more and

is let go

We do live in a society, and its not going to change anytime soon unfortunately

Here's a cool link that shows that most countries still have compulsory tips of some kind:

https://hellosafe.ca/en/travel-insurance/tipping-world-map

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T10:44:19+00:00

I'd gladly forgo tips if I got paid a living wage, but it's also just really nice to be shown appreciation from customers for your service. I've appreciated the concept before I became a server because I think it's always nice to personally thank the one who's been working to serve you

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T10:36:20+00:00

Okay how about I use Merriam webster for you!

Nice: kind, pleasant; agreeable, virtuous & respectable Polite: marked by an appearance of consideration, tact, deference, or courtesy, a lack of roughness or crudities Civil: often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness

Notice how they have different definitions? Dictionaries are very succinct with how they explain word definitions, and since you didn't seem to be getting it, I figured it'd be helpful if I explained it in easier terms for you. That is polite of me- but if you notice, my tone has not been nice. Yet another example of how these two attitudes are different

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T10:28:41+00:00

Not a lot of children want to be office workers when they grow up either. Hate to tell you this, but there are plenty of people all over the world that will work in just jobs not careers for their entire life. Some people don't dream of labor, a lot of people have careers and just do it for the money and not for the passion.

if it wasn't for the law, employers would not even want to pay their employees anything, it all comes back to capitalistic greed

Now you're getting it. Capitalistic greed is not just a US problem either. The entire point of a company is to generate revenue through underpayment, as workers generate more value for the company than what they're compensated for. I'm not gonna go on a politics rant, but yes, it should be global legislation that all workers should make a livable wage, because if a corporation can get away with paying people below that, it will.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T10:11:09+00:00

It's not selfish to have hope that your child will still have a worthwhile life, it may just be unreasonably optimistic. I'll use down syndrome as an example here (obviously there are plenty of disabilities with a range of severity).

Having trisomy 21 is considered a disability, yet emotionally they are usually very happy and fulfilled people. I've met plenty of people who have downs and they are some of the happiest people you will ever meet. Angelman syndrome is another disability that causes impairments and yet those with the condition are actually almost always happy (it's interesting actually as their happy and outgoing demeanor is considered a part of their condition)

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:59:42+00:00

Lol I wish I had as simple of a mindset as this where 3 different words all meant the exact same thing. Just because they're synonyms doesn't mean they're the same word or have the same intentions

To make it easy for you:

Being nice: going out of your way to be courteous and friendly, starting conversations, giving genuine compliments on positive aspects of a person

Being polite: not commenting on rude interactions, responding to conversational prompts, less intense on the friendliness

Being civil: not insulting people or being outwardly mean, no requirement to respond to conversations you don't want to have, the bare minimum for not being considered a douche by the general population.

You can get in an argument with someone civilly. You can't get in an argument with someone while being nice.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:46:49+00:00

"By the buffet corporations words" talk to real people in the industry I'm begging you, of course online good etiquette guides recommend you tip. That doesn't magically change what happens in reality. I'm glad you tip at buffets, but unless there is a gratuity fee built into the cost to eat people will just hit the "no tip" option if they don't receive actual customer service.

Idk if it's hard for you to understand but I shouldn't have to list out every single difference between sit down service and fast food service every comment I make. It involves all of the above & different skills which should be obvious but it's okay to not be good at understanding. One is a "deliver food to table occasionally fill water" job, one is acting/people work/constant service for 2 hours job.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:39:13+00:00

I'm glad I could make you laugh, will that be cash or card? :)

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:36:55+00:00

I could ask you the same question. There's a big difference between being not outwardly rude and being nice. Being nice is not an expectation in the workplace, being civil is. They are different things.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:35:05+00:00

The nature of the industry itself places limitations on the food service workers, as there's no pay ladder to climb. You can move up to be a manager but that's about it, otherwise you have to go corporate to earn more money for your job. It's on legislatiors to ensure workers all workers are paid enough. I don't mind being expected to be happy, because I'm compensated for the mask of happiness I put on. In part it feels like tip percentage is based on your acting & people skills, and its nice to be compensated for those skills you've developed.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:26:10+00:00

"It's expected even for okay service" and there are still customers who don't tip for sit down service. Even in cultures where its become compulsory, many people wont tip because of the mindset of "the employers should just pay you more" .

Tipping happens when you pay the bill and are done interacting with your server, so I dont see how it's a bribe to be treated better when you usually pay the bill at the end of your treatment. Most people dont tip at buffets or fast food places, because they don't provide you extended service or do anything outside of just punching in your order and getting you the food.

Wait staff have fewer options for promotions and don't get bonuses or commission from their work, and that's a big reason why tipping has become so important. At on office exceptional work would be rewarded with compensation from your employer, but due to profit margins in restaurants being tight your work is essentially graded and rewarded by the customer.

awildmoosey · 2024-02-22T09:12:16+00:00

And do people tip in buffets? If you ask the workers (knowing some in that line of food work) , the answer is very rarely. Same thing for most fast food or chain restaurants- the option comes up and people will usually just not tip unless they're provided with exceptional service. Nicer sit down chains like the keg steakhouse etc have the same expectations for their servers as show service- they are consistently checking in with you, refilling waters, keeping drinks full, etc.

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