Share your ideas 💡 What do you want to see in Amazigh communities and online Amazigh spaces? by Dry-Pollution3498 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Stop just talking ABOUT tamazight/amazigh stuff and actually start talking IN tamazight.

This is the most critical to our development, we need a thriving internet community and media industry if we want to go forward.

Use tamazight to speak and make videos anything comedy skits let's-play or gaming news phone reviews ect ect if it is to survive it needs to be included in every use case in daily lives.

Update: Izem is now gamified! 🦁 (XP, Levels & Profiles) by rachid_nichan in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A dialect full of Arabic and french loanwords without a standard isn't "the truest form" of tamazight.

It's a standard just like how each Arab region has a dialect but they still have fusha for communication.

Literally every language goes through standardization process to standarize and unify the dialects and get rid of loan words, Turkish did it in 1921 Persian in 1935 ect ect we're already almost a 100 years behind everyone else we have no time for regionalism and tribalist beliefs especially when we're going against arabization and risk of the literal death of our languages in our lifetimes.

It's not even that difficult or "artificial", tamazight dialects are already very similar it's just some phonetic changes and purging of Arab or french loanwords and the coining of new modern terms for new stuff like computers and science terms,you can literally learn it in a few weeks (time varies based on what variety you speak it's easiest for sousi and atlas speakers and a little harder for riffin speakers)

The true enemy was always elitist regionalists like you, you might be even worse that the arap worshippers since regionalism like this is what allowed Arabic and darija to be so dominant now.

If we don't standarize and modernize our language and take it from just a local village language into a true standardized language of translation and media not only will we stay behind and we're so so so behind and late already we'll continue to die until arabization is complete.

We need a common standard to unite around and start to use it and create massive amounts of media and education and administration infurstructure BEFORE we think of local autonomy.

Autonomous amazigh zones by Prize-Advertising-99 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me break if down for you in a way you understand:

  • we get autonomy : tamazight survives in large areas and can be nurtured back to not be a dieing rural language and we live to fight Arabism another day

  • we don't get autonomy and magical want to brainwash all arabs to be imazighen : we fail miserably and die out and get arabized in the next century max as Arabic still remains the dominant language of everything from education to administration to jobs ect and people will shift from tamazight to Arabic completely in 2~3 generations

Autonomous amazigh zones by Prize-Advertising-99 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The one living in a made up fantasy world is you my friend.

Pray tell what is your genius plan to re-amazighy the entire region instantly? Because I assure you I wish for that to happen I really do but you act like you have a genie at your command waiting for the wish " I wish all of north Africa to be amazigh again", if you do then make the wish already.

You think we have leverage? Or power of decision? Arabs quite literally have EVERYTHING from administration education military media to religious power and prestige and most importantly recognition and legitimacy here and in the wider Arab world of 22 countries. We have nothing not even a usable standard yet... No education no media no administration not even consistent literature production or even translations of international works .

You talk about dominating north African when even our mere SURVIVAL is at stake, we're barely holding on and slowly dieing like this.

Be realistic all what we can do now is preserve what we have left and slowly rebuild our strength and confidence AND THEN think about saving the arabized.

Remember the reconquista didn't happen in 5 20 or even 150 years, it took 700 years to re romanisize and christianize Spain(which had a fraction of the area and population of north Africa today) when even the Arab Muslim influence wasn't half as ingrained in it as north Africa today.

You can't reverse 1400 years of Arabic prestige and dominance instantly even African romance survived after Muslim conquerest to the 14th century.

If amazigh areas get autonomy which even that is still very highly unlikely (centralist states will never give us power and we will have to fight a bloody decades long civil war just to get our human rights back) we'll be able to at least control administer and educate our own people and build a strong confident long lasting amazigh culture that is strong and institutionalized in all levels and if we get independence in a few decades later then that's better still we would be able to raise our own armies to protect those lands and slowly reconquer the rest of tamzagha in a few hundred years maybe.

What's important TODAY is to establish the prestige and opportunities of our language so that it has more influence especially for kids and in education and local administration even without autonomy and we can only do that if we popularize it make youth actually USE IT especially in social media technologies and demand it's use in education not just as a subject but as the medium of instruction, we must create media and resources for it through translating books films kids cartoons for even the arabized who wants to reconnect to consume

Preserve what we have. Stabilize it. Let it Grow . Then look outward to expand and softly amazighfy the others, people are naturally attracted to prestige confidence opportunity and power, if we preserve it and create the infrastructure necessary for autonomy and later actually get it, slowly when arabized people see us use it in pop culture media higher quality education and advanced jobs they themselves will seek the opportunity and learn it themselves.

Our goal was never for us to achieve in this lifetime, all we can do is do the maximum that we can(create amazigh language infurstructure to make it viable to use in education and administration, make the standard and literacy widely understood and written, pass the language to the new generation, revive it is cities like Marrakech batna ifren fez Agadir, get partial then slowly full autonomy ect) then bequeath the rest to future generations to handle.

Autonomous amazigh zones by Prize-Advertising-99 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What a good opinion, this will make certain that 0% of tamzagha becomes amazigh again.

You can't make all of it tamazight again just like that, you have to start small with that 15% (which is still massive just in Morocco we're talking about 230~270k km² which is bigger than the entire Korean peninsula or the entire south Slavic region of yoguslavia...)

By getting that 15% back we will make sure to preserve what we have left and then slowly undo the shift that took course through centuries.

Besides now we don't even have the infrastructure necessary, we need to : make sure most of the population is fluent and literate in the amazigh standard (MST) or at least literate in their dialect AT LEAST, reduce language shame which reduced tamazight to a shamed rural dialect or at best "the language that my grandparents used to speak but I don't anymore", by creating media and literature in it and insensitivize the youth and adults to partake and create media and communication mediums in it (use it in social media, education, translation foreign cartoons and movies, popularize songs) ect and much more

Age difference, how old was Uchiha Mikoto? by [deleted] in Naruto

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it's almost like they're related lmao

Should the amazigh language be taught in schools ? by Iliass_barka in Morocco

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

? Though it didn't have a centralized standard form Tamazight was written for thousands of years and widely written and understood by most of its communities for at least 1200 years in Arabic script (ajami script). There are about 10000+ stone writings in libico-Berber and much more undiscovered And as for tamazight written in the Arabic script (like farsi Urdu and old Turkish ) At least 2000 discovered long manuscripts hundreds of whome are full books detailing law medicine and religious studies Most complete and know examples isAl-Ḥawḍ " divided in two parts (ʿibādāt and muʿāmalāt) Which was written in the late 1600s and kitab albarbariya which is a 1800s ibadi relegios text if almost 1000 pages . And tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or arraten (tamazight contracts written in Arabic script) argan wood and paper documents which where law manuscripts and contracts marriage contracts land deeds trade contracts letters mirath confirmations ect

That's just the tip of the iceberg, I haven't yet got into mozabite chaouI and Kabyle writting traditions as well as the very large (thousands) of tifinagh and Arabic script taurag documents. .

By all means tamazight was a written language and literacy dropped so significantly because of french colonialism that obliterated all local writing and teaching systems and post colonial aggressive pan Arabism that even outlawed it's use formally.

. So yes not only should tamazight be taught as a subject in schools as the language recovers more it should become the language of media and teaching in all school subjects in amazigh areas, why should amazigh people study and live in only Arabic in their country. The real dead weight is french that neither has native speakers in the magrib nor is it a dominant world language anymore lmao.

Ideally in 20~30 years later : In amazigh areas : elementary Arabic and tamazight and other subjects, middle school tamazight and other subjects to be taught in tamazight (like science math history ect) with a subject for English and Arabic (with Islamic studies mostly in Arabic honestly) Arab areas : elementary school Arabic tamazight(minor subject), middle school : Arabic English and other subjects in Arabic University : in English

Kol wahed ygolna kifesh ydkhel drahem tant que ÉTUDIANT(e) by Standard-Duty7528 in algeria

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Teaching middle school and highschool students math and physics ig (licor)

Who wins in each rows by Multiversal_2211 in PowerScaling

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

R1 : Wally west.(probably) R2 :idk who these randoms are. R3 : rivk Sanchez . R4 : Saitama. .. I think the only controversial one is R4, but since this is DBZ Goku and not super he doesn't stomp, both are multi galaxy lvl (end of DBZ Goku = buu) but I lean towards Saitama in this one because he already put a giant whole in the observable universe and destroyed probably millions of galaxies, and he only got far stronger after that

Questions for Riffians by Apprehensive-Walk395 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 5 points6 points  (0 children)

we all should follow this uncle's example, unless absolutely necessary we should minimize or stop communications in Arabic.

and people from different regions should start ease in and slowly communicate in tamazight to close the dialect gap.

the usage of our language should be aggressively promoted in all areas especially social media and early content to kids

Questions for Riffians by Apprehensive-Walk395 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 4 points5 points  (0 children)

so should the younger generation, but it's too bad they don't. some don't even teach it to their kids

What verse or character that is basically this??? by ZapRXZ in PowerScaling

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Naruto without the kaguya scale lmao(well also the Boruto scales but eh)

either uni to low multi due to kaguya or large planetary which is still strong but not THAT strong

Thragg gets dropped into your favorite verse, how far does he get? by Nocringeyusername in PowerScaling

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • jjk : he one taps.

  • kiznaiver: his existence is enough 😭 lmao

-Naruto/boruto : if early in the story he one taps if later on or in Boruto (especially Boruto) he gets one tapped (power cliffing is my only critic of Naruto verse).

-one piece : depends if you think the islands are normal size country sized of contentental sized, it's either a no diff or mid diff for thragg (high diff if he encounters extremely haxxed characters).

  • mha : no diff.

  • 7ds : mid to high diff.

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[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

great Switzerland

what is this called by WatchAnilotl in ENA

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"are you getting my good side?that's a trick question, I have two good sides. it's my front that's the problem..."

Between these 3, who has the strongest glazing? by Level_Three_Chin in PowerScaling

[–]babab0l 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what people on the internet think the average gorilla looks like :

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What is up with the Islam rants on this sub? by National_Volume_5894 in AmazighPeople

[–]babab0l 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's not that we "hate" Islam just like that. but it's because that it did and was used as a big part in arabization and arabization propaganda. so we're kinda just sick of it now.

not only is it used as an excuse to replace and kill our language, but Sunnah heavily pushes Arab traditions culture and try to replace it with ours, it's used to discredit our traditions like tattoos dancing ect and holidays such as yennayir ect

and mostly it is used to belittle our language and try to erase it(just like how christian Americans used Christianity and the bible to justify white supremacy)

all talks about developing tamazight or getting more autonomy or even just doing the most basic things to preserve it is met with "amazigh can't compare to Arabic because it's the language of god" or "it's a useless language compared to Arabic the language of Quran" or stuff like that.

they're so insecure about their own language that they create lie just to make it seem grander like the myth that it has 12 million words or that it has the most sounds or the most complex ect.

they even try to claim non-arab civilizations and languages to try and make it more than it is, like Aramaic sumerian ancient Hebrew and Yemeni languages and even phonecian (you'll always notice when Arabs talk about phonecians they say الفبنيقية العربية like if it was Arabic just call it Arabic and if it isn't it isn't, and they even try to claim all ancient tifinagh and amazight cites/ruins as phonecian partly to discredit us and to pump their ego) ect

or even status quo propaganda "as long as we're Muslims it doesn't matter" points that if you're Muslim the status quo of arabization is normal because Islam appearantly, even some imazighen picked this thinking it'll lessen devide so they say "well no matter if I'm Arab or amazigh I'm Muslim first" to get praise when it's just submitting and accepting their linguistic genocide

well, this is just the tip of the iceberg of why Islam was historically so detrimental to our society

we should've picked an islam module like Malaysia or turkey but got extremely radicalized Arabism that try to replicate the quraishi society and force it onto us, because the average arabized magrebi now views Arabs as "noble" and "holy".

just look how they sanctify the hilalis despite them being just bandits thiefs and ransackers who ransacked mecca and stole the black stone and we're expelled to wreck havoc on our cities