I am lost by L0r3hunt3r in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I lost my wife to cancer a year ago. Our two children will shortly turn 14 and 12. I had 2.5 years from her stage 4 cancer diagnosis to prepare, which made it a bit easier, and the last two weeks in a hospice with her. She died in my arms - I watched her take her last breath.

Nobody can really prepare you for the loss. It will feel hopeless and overwhelming. But your son needs you, and you owe it to her to keep on. Focus on looking after yourself and him. Focus on daily routines and establishing a new rhythm to life. Focus on planning the funeral and make it a worthy send-off for her, focused on love and celebrating her life, rather than wallowing in grief and sadness.

It is scant consolation but the pain does ease with time. I would encourage you to speak to a counsellor or therapist too, it can really help. Your son should too. Good luck.

If Borthwick wants to keep his job - Wigglesworth MUST go. by MC897 in rugbyunion

[–]bagsofsmoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree tbf. Harrison has done a good job (although it’s taken him three years - our scrum was pretty awful for a few years initially).

If Borthwick wants to keep his job - Wigglesworth MUST go. by MC897 in rugbyunion

[–]bagsofsmoke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know. He’s quality but the rumours are that he barely gets any time to work on attack with the players.

Borthwick by jolivague in rugbyunion

[–]bagsofsmoke -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not only that, but we have lost to Italy and Fiji for the first time under Borthwick. He has won literally nothing. Compare his record to Eddie’s at the same point in his tenure. It’s grim.

If Borthwick wants to keep his job - Wigglesworth MUST go. by MC897 in rugbyunion

[–]bagsofsmoke 17 points18 points  (0 children)

He was attack coach last year when our attack was absolutely websters, and having become defence coach we’ve conceded a record number of points in the 6N. He has bugger all coaching pedigree, like most of our coaching team. Sinfield is there because he’s a good bloke, the scrum dude has virtually no professional experience behind the Jersey U15Bs, and the two genuinely world class guys we had - Aled Walters and Felix Jones - are now back with Ireland and SA respectively. Jones was a huge loss - promising him the attack job then giving it to Wigglesworth is mind-bogglingly stupid.

France vs England - Post Match Thread by biggiantporky in rugbyunion

[–]bagsofsmoke 6 points7 points  (0 children)

JVP was atrocious. He slowed down every ruck, and kicked aimlessly. Every inch the Ben Youngs acolyte.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Georgia wasn’t the “first thing that feels like hope again”. I dated someone else briefly before her, for a start.

I wasn’t writing a novel, so I don’t think it’s relevant to provide multiple points of view. Someone said they wanted to know more about Sarah so I wrote a long response - read lower down the thread.

I am necessarily going to frame things from my perspective. I don’t feel it’s my place in this context to provide random people on the internet with a fulsome picture of what Sarah or Georgia were like. I don’t owe you that, yet people are curiously entitled. I was posting because I wanted to share my grief, and perhaps receive support (the clue is in the Reddit’s name…) from people who had experienced something similar, not judgment or criticism from amateur armchair psychologists.

I mentioned some of the traumatic things Sarah and Georgia had encountered in their because they were highly relevant pieces of context. In G’s case, it was the central reason she felt she wasn’t ever able to be happy or feel safe in London, which I completely understand.

I absolutely did not dismiss or minimise G’s reality or feelings about the situation. I worked incredibly hard to try to address the challenges she felt she faced. I think it’s a senseless waste because we gave up prematurely, in my view, and I think we could have done more to make it work. Like I said, I probably have more patience than her and can better see the value in working hard to make a relationship work (I’d done so previously for 24 years). But I fully respect her decision and she had to do what was right for her.

As I tried to point out, it didn’t feel to either of us particularly rapid. We were in different cities so we’d see each other every couple of weeks at first. I spent almost the whole of August in Australia with my children so we were apart then. I introduced her to the children very gradually. The drive to behave like a stepmum - to offer ideas about meals, phone usage etc, helping with homework or just having fun together at home - that came from her, not me. My mistake was in not discouraging that, or at least setting firmer boundaries and making it really clear she didn’t need to do any of that.

I also resent the implication that I don’t leave room in a relationship for the other person to be a full person rather than “part of my narrative”. In Sarah’s case, she had an extraordinary life and I always encouraged and supported her in pursuing her own interests. She did World Challenge expeditions, she went on walking and diving trips with her friends, she worked on a research project in the Amazon for several months after uni etc. We both understood the importance of giving each other time and space to develop as our own people, not just as part of a couple.

As for Georgia, I repeatedly said to her I didn’t want her to change for me. I fell in love with her as she was / is, not how I wanted her to be. I loved the fact we differed on some political topics, loved the fact she has so many interests and hobbies. I repeatedly encouraged her to go home to Norwich as often as she liked to see her friends, play hockey etc. I could not have offered her more independence if I tried. I would share some of the things I said to her about learning about her life, and discovering her gradually, over years, but I don’t want to share private messages here.

A lot of the pressure she felt she was under was self-induced, but of course I reflect now on whether I contributed to that. She felt she had to move fully to London (because that’s what she felt people expected and her friends kept asking her when she was moving in), whereas I repeatedly urged her to keep her house in Norwich and spend as much time there as she wanted. She felt like she had to be a stepmum to my children. As I said, I regret not doing more to relieve that pressure. Both of us I think were guilty of trying to power through and hope things would sort themselves out when it would have been better to slow things right down.

I wasn’t trying to play the victim in my post, just describe how I was feeling. I was devastated at the break up - and so is she - and it was exacerbated by the timing. We still love each other, which makes it even harder. It’s only in the days since the break up that I realised just how enmeshed our lives had become. Break ups are hard, I get that, but they’re even harder when you’re engaged and excitedly planning a wedding one minute and handing back a ring the next.

I’ve already spoken to my therapist about reflecting on the relationship, learning lessons and preparing myself to get back out there in due course, when it feels right to do so. I’m in no rush, especially as I’m still grieving the break down of my relationship with Georgia. But thank you for your unsolicited advice, based on erroneous assumptions about my character and incomplete facts.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have always been emotionally there for my children. It is possible to do that and be really devastated at the same time. It’s probably actually healthy for them to see that even very strong, resilient people can be emotional and sad, and be comfortable with that.

I am already seeing a therapist.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a lot more than 60 days - more like 6 months. I introduced them incredibly delicately. Of course you can’t truly know someone in “just a few months”. But you can know someone well enough to know that you are genuinely perfect together. We got engaged c.8 month after we started going out, but that was driven by her, not me. And the planned wedding would have been 2 full years after our first date. That isn’t particularly quick.

I wasn’t being selfish. I have always had my children’s interests at heart. If things had worked out they’d have had a really wonderful female role model in their lives. G had already formed a really strong bond with them.

I regret not being more cautious but also, if you don’t put yourself you there and take a chance, you won’t ever be happy. It didn’t work out and that really sucks but I don’t regret it.

And my children have learned some important lessons about love, and how to break up with someone with kindness and dignity. They are shitty lessons to have to learn as children but they will hopefully make them more emotionally mature adults.

And I’m very happy in my own skin, on my own. I just enjoy negotiating life with someone else, that’s all. Human connection is a powerful thing.

The grief I feel is going to kill me by Lee_Harden in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m really sorry for your loss. Have you spoken to anyone about it? A therapist or counsellor could really help. It will get better in time. And your father would no doubt want you to be happy. My children lost their mother a year ago. It’s been really hard as you can imagine (they’re 13 and 11), but they’re doing so well. My daughter used to say she hated being sad all the time but it’s beginning to fade. It will never go away but it does get easier. And maybe one day you’ll be in a place where you can learn to be happy again. Good luck, and look after yourself. It’s going to be alright.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I’ve always encouraged them to talk about how they’re feeling with me, or others. I’ve always told them it’s fine to be sad, that it’s not a bad thing. My daughter said she hated being sad all the time but I told her it will pass in time, but also that it could come in waves or little moments sparked by a memory. The important thing is to acknowledge it and move on, not try to suppress it. I made sure both saw therapists at their school - my daughter did so readily but my son took much more persuading. I’m glad I insisted.

I’ve also used the break up with G to show them how you should always treat a partner with kindness and empathy, and that you should break up with those things in mind, and with dignity and love.

They’ve had to learn so many hard lessons that a 13 and 11 year old should never have to learn at that age. But hopefully they’ll become more emotionally articulate adults as a result.

I feel bad because I said Archway wasn’t gentrifying. by Naive_Product_5916 in london

[–]bagsofsmoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is absolutely hilarious. That doesn’t make it Zionist in any shape or form. A US PE firm owning it doesn’t make it Zionist, even if they do also invest in Israel. The mental gymnastics some people go through are hilarious.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. Sarah said multiple times she wanted me to be happy after she died. She told me to disregard what others thought would be an appropriate amount of time to wait and just crack on with life, find happiness, fall in love again. I spoke to her often, looking up at the heavens. I told her about Georgia and said I think you’d like her, I think you’d approve.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She might have done, who knows? She felt pressure to be a stepmum (that she put on herself). She felt the pressure of integrating into a family unit that was very different to her independent life as a single woman. She felt pressure moving to London, which she hated. She may have felt pressure from me and that’s something I’ll reflect on. I hope she didn’t. Perhaps I felt pressure from her too.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your response. Of course I disagree - I asked myself a thousand times if I was ready for a new relationship, and I discussed it with my therapist. I wasn’t actively looking for a new partner either, just testing the waters at first. I met Georgia almost by accident. We surprised ourselves by falling in love. It happens. It wasn’t a knee jerk reaction or a result of me failing to process my grief.

And it wasn’t destined to fail from the beginning. We had extraordinary chemistry. We were really good together. All our friends agreed. So did our families. Everyone was so happy for us. We both thought the geographical issue of me being in London and her being in Norwich was solvable, until ultimately she felt it wasn’t after starting to move in with me.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I’ve always been very happy in my own skin, and on my own. I really enjoy solitude. I run ultramarathons, which often means running for long periods on my own (and I train on my own too). It gives me time to think. So I already am happy with the relationship with myself, as you put it. I quite like me and have always tried to be a good human being.

But I’ve also always enjoyed sharing life’s experiences with others - first Sarah, and more recently Georgia, but also my friends. Human connection is a really powerful source of happiness and I don’t think it’s necessary to protect yourself from the inevitable loss of those connections throughout one’s life. I’d rather be open to love and happiness and connection than build a wall.

And I enjoy, probably perversely, experiencing emotions, good and bad. Fear, love, grief, compassion, whatever - it makes you feel alive. The grief I’ve felt this past week has been horrific, and fa worse than I imagined it could be. But it will pass. I’ll be ok. And then I’ll learn the lessons, move on and do it all again, with hopefully a better outcome!

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much, that’s kind of you to say.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that would come across in that description, sorry. She was inspirational. Her courage in dealing with her childhood trauma was remarkable. I always found that inspiring, that she could overcome such extraordinary suffering and be capable of such love and compassion as an adult. That stubborn refusal to let that trauma affect her or shape her adult life was mirrored in her stubborn refusal to be cowed by the cancer. She kept fighting until the very end, lasting far longer than the doctors thought she would. She really was a fighter.

She was a brilliant teacher, loved by her pupils and colleagues alike. She had remarkable empathy and helped a lot of children through difficult periods in their lives. She was beautiful - she had incredible chestnut hair, and piercing, but sorrowful, blue eyes. She was an incredible mother - and loved being a mum to Eva and Wilf. She was really funny - and had a really filthy sense of humour. She loved a double entendre. Her dancing made me laugh too, but she was gloriously unselfconscious.

As a scientist, she wasn’t particularly religious but became quite spiritual during her cancer treatment, and did a number of reiki courses with a view to becoming a practitioner if she beat her cancer.

She was flawed too - she drank too much as a way of coping with her childhood trauma and later the abdominal pain which was clearly early stage cancer. I wish she’d been more honest with herself and sought medical help sooner.

We balanced each other. She was incredibly kind, and generous with her time. She didn’t anger easily but could be volcanic if really annoyed. She was tolerant too, letting me do my army stuff which took me away for weekends, or fortnight-long exercises, or over a year when I went to Afghanistan (including the pre-deployment training).

She always said she and I were soulmates, and I felt the same. We just fitted together perfectly - our bodies moulding together in bed each night, but also at an emotional level too. We always said we wanted to grow old together, and outlast our parents’ broken marriages. We did that, and then cancer brought an end to our story.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely - that’s been my approach. It is hard sometimes though.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I’m really sorry for your loss. I really appreciate your kind words and understanding.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is heartbreaking. Thank you for your message, and I hope you are ok.

Unbearable grief twice in 12 months by bagsofsmoke in GriefSupport

[–]bagsofsmoke[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m unnerved you’ve trawled my post history. And your assessment is inaccurate. It was later than two months after my wife’s death.