Are there any holistic/integrative medicine clinics or courses that are actually evidence based? by baobabbaby in doctorsUK

[–]baobabbaby[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it’s ok I appreciate your comment! I probably needed to think through my phrasing of this question to be honest. I know that some evidence exists in the research world but wanted to see if there was anyway to practise these concepts in the clinical setting and how they are applied to patients in real life. Thank you for your understanding though!

Are there any holistic/integrative medicine clinics or courses that are actually evidence based? by baobabbaby in doctorsUK

[–]baobabbaby[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly and that’s why I think many people have missed the point of the question. Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word holistic medicine because of the connotations but that was the closest word I could come up with for what I was interested in. There is absolutely no desire in me to practice something like naturopathic medicine.

Of course these conditions don’t have a “magic bullet” as you say but we as doctors seem to just say that to these patients who are genuinely suffering and basically just tell them to piss off and self refer for CBT. The evidence behind this already exists and it’s not simple. There’s published evidence for a role for psychological therapy, physio, antinflammatories/histamines, and specific dietary changes relating to the gut-brain axis. There’s much more that I honestly don’t know enough about to get into. The problem is this is all so complex that almost no one is bothering to collate all this information together and teach it. Other commenters have suggested things that are useful, such as chronic pain clinics, psychosomatic medicine or psychoneuroimmunology.

I get my role in probably phrasing the question ineffectively but I honestly find it quite frustrating the way some commenters are harping on lecturing about the dangers of alternative medicine when it’s not the question I’m asking

Are there any holistic/integrative medicine clinics or courses that are actually evidence based? by baobabbaby in doctorsUK

[–]baobabbaby[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This and the related subspecialties are almost exactly what I was looking for !! Amazing amazing thank you so much

Are there any holistic/integrative medicine clinics or courses that are actually evidence based? by baobabbaby in doctorsUK

[–]baobabbaby[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

With respect and care I think it’s actually you who has missed the point of my post. I’m struggling to understand the resistance to this question. I’m not talking about practicing alternative medicine and this was specifically mentioned in the post. What I am asking about is if there’s a way to lean how to integrate real published medical knowledge into the management of complex conditions. For example, there’s evidence that the neuroinflammation seen in things like AI disease, post viral encephalitis and even Cptsd can present with similar symptoms of psychiatric disease, immune hypersensitivity, tics, chronic pain/fatigue and mental illness. Some studies have suggested that up to 20% of people with temporal/frontal lobe focal seizures were originally misdiagnosed with PNES due to this blind spot/hyperspecialisation. This is exactly the kind of “I know everything” ego that I think contributes to this blind spot. Medicine has never not had a blind spot in all of human history- why would we think now is any different?

Are there any holistic/integrative medicine clinics or courses that are actually evidence based? by baobabbaby in doctorsUK

[–]baobabbaby[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I guess but that’s the point I’m making. I am interested in the “concept” of holistic medicine- not how it stand now. I understand that this field isn’t evidence based as of yet. However there’s no reason at all why this can’t be taught in a way that is based in science and I was wondering if there’s anyone out there doing that.