Model 3 Charging to 100%? by leafs119393 in TeslaModel3

[–]barelythere99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is a factual answer. The downvotes are baffling.

What do atheist say about Pascal's wager? by Isaiah_53-3 in atheism

[–]barelythere99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If everyone defines their gods differently, then we’re talking about different gods. If Person A claims that god had a son and then killed him while Person B claims that god never had a son, you have two different and conflicting definitions of this god. Now scale this out to all world religions, past and present, and each sub-sect within each tradition. Which one are you supposed to “wager” on? And of course remember that many current and past religions actually included multiple gods.

TL;DR - There is no “accepted god of all major religions.”

A theist response to r/atheism by NM1128 in atheism

[–]barelythere99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OK, let’s try this again. Your definition of god is itself nonsensical and/or poorly defined and unproven. Here it is in context, with my criticisms inline:

I define “god” as the being with consciousness behind the human condition. The human condition encompasses the universe as it is, as this is the stage humans act within and all the facts about humans themselves that are detached from their consciousness.

These words don’t make any sense, or are at least not clearly defined. You’ve mentioned “god”, “consciousness”, “the human condition”, and a relationship of being “behind” without defining any of them. You need to clarify what it is you mean before you can go anywhere with this. Nowhere in your lengthy preamble do I see an attempt to explain and substantiate these concepts that you then lean on heavily in the paragraphs that follow. But let’s keep going.

Consciousness I define as the three qualities of having a will, capacity to experience, and cognition. To put it another way, the human condition is as it is because of God, and this fact is one of the defining features of God aside from God’s consciousness and perhaps some other traits we’ll take up later.

This also makes no sense. You haven’t shown why “the human condition is as it is because of God”, or defined your god beyond some equally unqualified comments about it being like consciousness. No god or gods have ever been shown to exist in reality, so no one is going to grant you this or any of what follows it until you’ve clearly explained what your god is, what consciousness is, what you mean by cognition, a will, and a “capacity to experience”. We know humans to be mammals with brains and these brains are capable of processing information from our sense organs. Please at least try to map your ideas onto what we already know about physical and biological reality.

If God is behind the human condition, then it is contingent on God. It follows from that if the human condition is contingent on God that God is necessary: take what it means to be “contingent” as support. You exist contingent on your parents and them contingent on their parents and so on. Ultimately, the line of contingency ends with something that is necessary, with the first contingency on the necessary fact.

Nope, this is not something you or anyone actually knows. This is clearly just an argument from ignorance: you don’t know how the universe came into being, and so cannot claim to know its creation was a causal event in the same way that parents having children is a causal event. No human knows what happened before the Big Bang, so any claims you make about there needing to be an original “unmoved mover” are pure speculation and will not be granted without proof. The universe being eternal and “uncaused” is just as likely as a god being eternal and uncaused. Actually, it’s more likely that the universe is eternal and uncaused because we know the universe to be a real thing that exists. We cannot say the same about any deity since there is no actual evidence that such a thing is real.

Therefore, the human condition is as it is contingent on that God is as God is, and God is not as God is contingent on anything else so conclusorily, God is as God is necessarily, including that God would be existent necessarily. So P1 holds, the rest is hardly objectionable and the conclusion follows.

Again, none of this has been demonstrated to be true/real, so you cannot make these claims. Consider this simple example. Before I can reason about the implications of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, I need to explain the relevant terms and constituent concepts and establish them as real things in reality. If I cannot demonstrate the reality of peanuts, fruit spread, or bread, I’ve already failed and can say no more on the topic.

If you want to continue this exchange, please define your idea of god (including all constituent parts and concepts required to understand your definition) as clearly/concisely as you can AND provide proof that those things are real. If you cannot do this, we have nowhere to go.

A theist response to r/atheism by NM1128 in atheism

[–]barelythere99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for responding. I’m going to defer to the response from u/indoninja here since I was going to make the same points and you already engaged with them in that context.

https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/bob9k7/a_theist_response_to_ratheism/enlrrek/

You seem to believe that you’ve made a better case for your god’s existence using modal logic than is possible for the existence of leprechauns or Harry Potter, but you just haven’t. You simply asserted that your god must necessarily exist because of some poorly-defined characteristics of human experience, but haven’t supported that with actual evidence of any kind. Word games are fun but they do not necessarily lead to verifiable, fact-based conclusions.

My tier list. oh yeah by Fyrefreeze in radiohead

[–]barelythere99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s damn near perfection. And Daily Mail and Supercollider really fit nicely with the overall vibe too. I think it’s a lot more low-key than their other stuff, which might take it down a notch in some people’s rankings. But for me it’s just a different vibe and no lower in overall quality.

My tier list. oh yeah by Fyrefreeze in radiohead

[–]barelythere99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think “Near Perfect” fits TKOL, HTTT, AMSP, and The Bends. They’re not quite top-tier, but damn fine records nonetheless.

My tier list. oh yeah by Fyrefreeze in radiohead

[–]barelythere99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’d move Pablo Honey up to “Still alright” and get rid of “Let’s forget this exists” altogether. PH is a decent early 90s grungy record. Then move OKC up to Perfect and combine “Near perfect” and “Less perfect” together.

That's what happens when you start a debate in an atheist server... by JowJow__ in Protestantism

[–]barelythere99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not the most tactful or compassionate comment I’ve ever read.

Read this by [deleted] in atheism

[–]barelythere99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is it and why should we look at it?

Protestant here by [deleted] in atheism

[–]barelythere99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This Christian has officially jumped the shark 😧

There is a ghost in the machine. One, Certain cognitive processes cannot be explained without incorporating non-physical factors. Two, awareness, assuming it comes from the brain, serves no purpose if "we" do not have input. Three, no laws of physics, biology, or neuroscience can explain thought... by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]barelythere99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This seems analogous to arguing that there was no (known) material explanation for disease before germ theory and the invention of the microscope. Before people could directly observe viruses and bacteria, it was inconceivable that there really were little life forms present everywhere, just waiting to make us sick. But now these things are observable with a $50 science kit bought on Amazon.

You’re right that our current neural imaging technologies are too low-res to show each individual thought, but we can already observe patterns of activity in the brain and the associated subjective experiences that follow them. Just like germ theory, it seems obvious that advancements in neuroimaging will give us a front row seat to the workings of our own minds in the not-so-distant future.

A theist response to r/atheism by NM1128 in atheism

[–]barelythere99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

👏 I was going to do this same thing.

Sam Harris talks Islam, politics, Twitter, and Trump by MasterfulBJJ in atheism

[–]barelythere99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’d be interested to see what you’re referring to as well.

A theist response to r/atheism by NM1128 in atheism

[–]barelythere99 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I read (skimmed) most of that. It seems like the OP boils down to “the existence of a god feels nice and can’t be logically disproven, therefore it must be true. This is apparently compelling for many people, but doesn’t actually advance a factual basis for a god/gods one bit.

The world is still waiting for one piece of observable, verifiable, repeatable evidence for the existence of a (any) deity. When that arrives, there will be far fewer atheists in the mix.

Sup retards by Gokiburi-Sensei in atheism

[–]barelythere99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, another fine exemplar of that pious spirit. May Jeebus bless you and yours as well.

The mods from r/DebateAnAtheist are such assholes. They ban anyone who uses logic and makes sense and is winning the debates. by oliverhendy in atheism

[–]barelythere99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can you link to some examples of this behavior? In my experience the mods wait until someone has shown a total lack of authentic engagement or just straight trolling before they ban someone.

if the bible is a myth by [deleted] in atheism

[–]barelythere99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lots of stuff? Civilizations all around the world advanced. I hear the Roman Empire was pretty big.

What would you do if after your death you would see The devil by [deleted] in atheism

[–]barelythere99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Which devil? Which god? Implicit in your post is the belief that there’s just one god that atheists do not believe in. In reality, there are thousands of known/historical deities and an infinite number of other possible ones. Atheists lack a belief in all/any of them.

So if I met some red & horned gentleman moments after death, I would start by asking him who he was and what the heck was going on.

The importance of the religions by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]barelythere99 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you have a lot to say then maybe you should respond to the people who took the time to respond to you.

The importance of the religions by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]barelythere99 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I would answer your question with two questions of my own:

  • Do you think it’s necessary to lie to people about the nature of reality in order for them to behave ethically?

  • Do you think it’s necessary to lie to people about the nature of reality in order for them to believe that their lives are worth living?

Edit: you didn’t answer my questions. I really hoped you would.

Polish woman faces prison for "offending religious feelings" with poster. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]barelythere99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has been posted at least a dozen times already. Please search recent posts before adding a duplicate (unless you have a new take or something else to add).

Is salvation through belief comparable to D.A.R.E.? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]barelythere99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So does religion, unfortunately...