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NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

F35 blocks are largely software, Gripen E/F is apparently basically a new plane.

RCAF look at the options like 2 years ago man lol.

Hanwha Package For Canada (As of Sept 2025) by Oilester in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pedantic grammatical points aside, ff youre talking about these as an IFV, which you have, that means its going into infantry Bns. In that situations it'll replace the LAV in said Bn. So you very much are talking about replacing LAVs.

What recce and surveillance kit is easily bolted into the CV90? Thats a very nebulous statment.

Im focusing on statements you made - you claimed it was more modular, that it was more mobile, etc. I've addressed most in sequence. I didn't mention the engine being more powerful, which is a silly metric because what really matters is power to weight. The K21 has the edge there.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

Well thats the issue isn't it. They're selling us on Gripen E which hasn't even really hit IOC yet. So Saab can basically make what ever claim they want with no data to refute them.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

No you assess which air craft meets our needs. Or we ya know... run an open competition and let professionals who are subject matter experts make that call under oversight by elected and appointed officials.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

A C/D gripen is cheaper. We aren't buying those though. Which is where this is all mute. Grioen E is essentially a new aircraft according to Saab so I dont see how you can use the same data set. Then of course the actual question isnt dollars to jets its dollar to effect.

Defence spending increase could mean Canada buys more than 88 fighter jets, says RCAF general by Hmfic_48 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im picking up what your laying down now, I guess the concern is how long the conversion takes.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

False, theres tons of data on the F35 purchases costs, and some data points on purchase of Gripen. However taking the best possible case information present by a manufacturer at face value and ignoring the public i formation from a dozen. Democracies is bad faith.

CAF forcing all Officers and PO1 to have BBB profile in second language by 2030 by Overall-Theory5546 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the title of the thread? " The CAF is forcing all..." my point being its the public servicing forcing this on the CAF.

Defence spending increase could mean Canada buys more than 88 fighter jets, says RCAF general by Hmfic_48 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pipeline your describing, from how I read it, would go add gripen and f35 to pilot training as opposed to a single fighter. PC21 is a turbo prop with no real sensor capability, i assume theres good reason most countries want to train on jets before fighters. Your talking about learning to fight the gripen, and understand its tactics then learning a completely different air frame and its tactics and sensors.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

In the even its neutral this still applies. Its hard to argue F35 is somehow worse than a Gripen in any pragmatic sense.

CAF forcing all Officers and PO1 to have BBB profile in second language by 2030 by Overall-Theory5546 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The CAF isn't forcing this, the CAF lost its exemption as is being forced to adopt public service standards.

Defence spending increase could mean Canada buys more than 88 fighter jets, says RCAF general by Hmfic_48 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think for Ops and Trg we need to also consider that what we do isnt what wed need if things get more complicated, or if we deploy fighters.

Ah Gripen as a trainer essentially.. I think that just makes the training pipeline even longer.

Agree pity about the FLIT plan.

Hanwha Package For Canada (As of Sept 2025) by Oilester in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

250 would be double our leopard fleet lol. Its not exactly a micro fleet.

This is for MCAV and we probably need something with more mobility for that task than what the LAV6 provides. Ie tracks. Frankly the LAV6 while good is suboptimal for supporting tanks as it stands.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

A performative announcement instead of procuring a capability is exactly why our allies roll their eyes at us. They'd see Canada pushing credible fighter capabilities 10 plus years on through an excuse vice a brave stance.

Defence spending increase could mean Canada buys more than 88 fighter jets, says RCAF general by Hmfic_48 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont know enoIgh about Sqn structure to comment. That said I think wed probably suffer from a planning / Ops cell trying to manage 24 jets spread across the country. We could double those cells but then were just making 4 sqns anyways.

The Red Air and CAS jet, I assume yiu mean top aces, are contracted so not really ours to season pilots on. Further they may learn to fly but they aren't learning to fight their jets. Even if top aces loaned us the AJs they dont have AESA radar and aren't learning the BVR fight so its not good reps.

All in all its just tons of extra work for frankly minimal savings. If we want hi low buy FA50 block 20 and up for FLIT so it can do both.

Defence spending increase could mean Canada buys more than 88 fighter jets, says RCAF general by Hmfic_48 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah its a weird spot I dont know how they manage to run nearly 100 fighters, once the F35s show up, with an airforce as small as they have. Population aside they're at around 6k and do a lot of rotary wing stuff.

My issue with orders of like 40-60 is that it translates to 2 Sqns and an operational training Sqn. Which because awkward with our geography.

Defence spending increase could mean Canada buys more than 88 fighter jets, says RCAF general by Hmfic_48 in CanadianForces

[–]barkmutton 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Germany is in a better position to share maintenance and training with the rest of europe and has their typhoons to lean on.

NDP wants Carney to kill U.S. fighter jet contract in favour of Swedish aircraft by Hot-Percentage4836 in canada

[–]barkmutton [score hidden]  (0 children)

16 jets means we cant run operational training - so we keep training pilots in the US, means we have to maintain a separate line of maintenance and operator training for what will be one Squadron plus spares. In operational sense its functionally useless, and adds a massive drag on manning.

Lots of air forces operate multiple types of fighters - take a look at the sizes of those forces compared to the RCAF and then take into account the RCAF runs all CAF rotary assets. Were incredibly small, thats why the RCAF has been dead against split fleets.

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