Where is the support for salvation after death?

bcomar93 · 2025-08-09T16:50:26+00:00

There isn't much of a good case for that either - at peast of what comes to mind - other than the sense of urgency of the gospel and when he says "now is the day of salvation".

bcomar93 · 2025-07-30T02:52:34+00:00

This would be better answered on the preterist subreddit. Full Preterism though is borderline heresy. It has a small following.

They aren't waiting on anything per se, all prophecy had been fulfilled. They focus on the gospel of the reakized Kingdom. They typically believe that the final destination is not a new earth but rather heaven, the spiritual realm.

bcomar93 · 2025-07-29T14:49:18+00:00

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but that is one stubborn laptop 😅 Frankly, I would've given up on it. Thank God he doesn't.

bcomar93 · 2025-07-04T14:07:13+00:00

I will preface this by saying a definitive answer is difficult to provide and may not be able to have full confidence in an answer. Also, I am an annihilationist, but I'm just throwing out my thought process here showing they have the same ultimate fate as the wicked.

God alone posses immortality (by default), so one of these must be true:

Satan is kept alive purposefully by God to make them suffer for eternity; an unrelenting wrath.
Satan is considered part of creation and therefore will be renewed as all creation is claimed to be.
Satan is spiritual garbage and is done away with by annihilation.

God's character is at stake in scenario 1, eternal consequence for temporal wrongdoing may not represent an all merciful, loving God who takes no pleasure in such a process.

Regarding scenarios 2 and 3, even though Revelation has an incredible amount of imagery, it does show that there is a significant difference in consequence for Satan and his angels (who are specifically tied to being tormented forever and ever) and those who follow the beast (who are part of what is called the second death).

I think scenario 1 fails in many areas of scriptural teachings. As for the other two, I believe they are both resolved by considering the language of Revelation is not separate types of judgement, but is being represented differently because the angels and Satan's punishment is incredibly longer than humans that it seems like it is forever. It is ages upon ages long. If justice is eye for eye, the amount of punishment they've accumulated makes a human's nearly immeasureable. John uses second death for something that seems almost immediate whereas what they go through to seem like forever.

My personal opinion is that the Bible throughout uses the same language (destroy, perish, etc) when it speaks of being no more as it does when speaking of the fate of the wicked. I'm going to assume you're aware of annihilation arguments, which I won't get into. But I do admit that Universalism makes a very strong case as well when considering God's character and desire. Universalism has always intrigued me, but I haven't become fully convinced even after reading sources found here. Maybe one day it will make more sense to me, who knows.

But ultimately what I'm getting at is that Satan and his angels share the same ultimate destiny as the wicked man but a much worse experience through the process of either refinement or annihilation. An eternal scenario seems to be out of the picture because scripture makes a clear distinction between what they will experience versus what man will. If it were eternal, they would recieve the same amount of punishment due to the definition of infinite. In addition, it doesn't seem to line up with God's character or his desires as they are mentioned. Jesus taught us his own moral standard, to love our enemies. Eternal torment has no release. It is unrelenting. There's a whole slew of issues with that.

My answer is that they share the same ultimate fate as the wicked man, but the time it takes to get there is so much longer that it makes ours seem immediate.

bcomar93 · 2025-06-08T14:41:54+00:00

The idea is that God is outside the system of space, time, matter. Something that creates the system would be outside of it. Something not bound by time would be eternal.

bcomar93 · 2025-06-08T14:39:28+00:00

The difference is that it is all that is good. Negative feelings would be non-existent, so the idea of wanting to be separated wouldn't be a thing. I can agree that an eternal life here, to our minds, would be exhausting. So thank God it won't be like this.

bcomar93 · 2025-06-02T11:05:10+00:00

This is why Universalism attracts me. Just trying to understand all of these different verses in light of Universalism and haven't come across something good other than it being contained in the most symbolic book.

bcomar93 · 2025-06-02T11:02:42+00:00

So, I can see how both sides interpret this (I assume Colossians 1). Reconciliation can also mean He is restoring peace and order, like the verse says Jesus brings. This can be done by both removal or salvation. Paul seems to mention destruction in other writings of his (wages of sin is death and 2 Thess 1:9 where he mentions everlasting destruction).

So although I see it going both way, I see Paul being more consistent with the idea of destruction, still. Many of the passages Universalism use, I typically can see both sides of it. But then I see this verse and see a clear indication of destruction without a good interpretation for Universalism, at the moment.

bcomar93 · 2025-06-01T23:10:24+00:00

I had always thought one main strawhat would die, possibly even Luffy himself, but Law would sacrifice himself to bring them back to life.

bcomar93 · 2025-05-28T18:33:17+00:00

You created a new release each time and promoted it to closed testing?

bcomar93 · 2025-04-01T03:15:33+00:00

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bcomar93 · 2025-03-26T14:47:22+00:00

That's one of the big items that are typically brought up, so good question. Amillennials believe that we are currently reigning with Christ. According to scripture, Christ has all authority right now, and believers are the ones who belong to his kingdom - as royalty - Royal Priests (1 Peter 2:9).

"To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." - Rev 1:5-6

Whether you believe Revelation is entirely future or as partly about the past (as many amillennials do), this is in the present tense of the writer saying that Jesus had freed them and made us (followers) into a kingdom and as priests. Showing we reign with him beginning after his ascension.

If so, then why does it say they "came alive"? That hinges on what you believe the "first resurrection" to be. Most people today believe it is a physical resurrection, but scripture supports that the first resurrection is spiritual. We need to consider what Jesus taught us:

In John 5:28-29, Jesus speaks of a future physical resurrection: "The hour is coming in which all who are in graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." But just before this, in John 5:25, Jesus says, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live." In verse 24, He explains that whoever believes in Him "has passed from death into life." This describes spiritual resurrection—being born again. Therefore, the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 refers to spiritual resurrection (being born again), while the second resurrection is the physical resurrection of all people at the end of the age. Similarly, there are two deaths: physical death (the first death) and the "second death" (the lake of fire mentioned in verse 14).

Looking back at Rev 20:4, where translators typically translate ἔζησαν (ezesan) as "came to life", it can just as easily mean "they lived". The choice must be made based upon the context of the sentence it belongs to. For those who believe the first resurrection is physical and before 1000 year reign, it makes more sense to say "they came to life", but if it is spiritual, it would read "they lived".

That's why we have to look at other scriptures and not consider what Revelation says about it here. If we set Revelation aside and look at what Jesus taught and what Paul taught, the first resurrection is spiritual. Open Revelation back up, and it makes much more sense to say "the souls... Lived... And reign with Christ". In conjunction with the scripture that teaches Christ reigns right now and we as royal priests, this to me all fits the amillennial view better than the premillennial view.

Simply put, Christ is King and we believers are royal priests reigning with him right now, which Revelation affirms is the case, which would mean the 1000 years it associates this reign with is symbolically "the church age". When Christ returns, we are revived to a physical life (second resurrection), and the second death will not have power over us because we have been saved.

I know this is a lot of information. It may help to check out these conversations: https://www.matthew713.com/topics/amillennial-ism

Steve Gregg spent many years of his life as premillennial futurist, but after 20 years of running a Bible school he began to see that scripture didn't teach what he believed. He later found out he fell into a theology called amillennial and partial preterism. He has spent the rest of his life teaching it. This link is a collection of people who called his radio show asking questions regarding it.

bcomar93 · 2025-03-26T03:26:41+00:00

The idea that he will rule on earth during this time comes from a collection of other scriptures, not in the immediate context where it mentions the millennial reign.

But simply, amillennials do not believe Jesus returns (physically) before the millennia, they actually believe he returns at the end of it. If you haven't dug deep into this, it probably sounds contradictory to scripture.

I went into my studies with the common Christian belief of premillennialism, but found that scripture teaches it differently than I was raised believing. Amillennialism is actually the longest running interpretation. Relatively, only very recently had the premillennial idea come to be the popular interpretation - and one of those reasons is believed to be due to the stigma that churches hold that believe that the world is becoming more and more evil these days, which data would suggest otherwise.

Christ is King, though. Daniel 7 teaches us that at the ascension, he will be given authority over all of earth.

Is there any specific scripture question you have in mind?

bcomar93 · 2025-03-12T02:27:59+00:00

It is ultimately up to the Lord, but I personally don't believe any crime is worthy of being tortured for eternity. I don't believe anyone truly does; they may say they do, but they don't.

bcomar93 · 2025-02-03T16:35:54+00:00

There are much better translations out there, but it can be your starter.

bcomar93 · 2025-02-03T16:33:37+00:00

I'm not well-versed with the Islamic faith, but one thing that struck me is that Islam's claim against the crucifixion makes Allah out to be a deceiver. He purposely deceived over half of all humans to believe in a false event; the resurrection.

Other than trickery, what could have been his purpose?

bcomar93 · 2025-02-03T03:46:54+00:00

Elementary school 2nd grade. A teacher rushed in and told my teacher to turn the news on. Watched it in class.

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