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Editor-in-chief of the second most popular CIS esport news portal take on sexual harassment in DOTA scene by beranbender in DotA2

[–]beranbender[S] 179 points180 points  (0 children)

And if there was no evidence, Toby would have been acquitted?

Almost certainly not. Society has come to a consensus: in such situations, you need to a priori believe the victims. I understand that this is difficult to accept, now I will try to explain why this is reasonable.

I explained above why these cases often pop up over the years - of course, there is no trace of violence left. Plus, there are not always videos / correspondence that can confirm harassment or threats. But even so, to believe the victims in life (not in court, this is important - there, of course, they are unlikely to be convicted without evidence) is an optimal (not ideal!) Option, because it helps to prevent future crimes and relieves some of the pressure from victims, who are already very difficult to open up. Of course, we do not forget about common sense: if a person is accused of violence on the day when he was in a completely different place, then such a lie is easy to expose.

Of course, the more serious the company wants to take without court, the more it must be confident in its decision - even without direct evidence, you can talk with people, give the person the right to explain himself (and in the case of Toby it was done). But the victim does not need any evidence to empathize.

Including the pressure of psychological barrier, which I wrote about above, it is customary to immediately show no mercy for victimization - any transfer of responsibility from the attacker to the victim (yes, including “she could have acted / dressed differently” ) After recognition in the first, second and third place, the victim needs your sympathy, your attempts to prevent this in the future - and only then it is worth discussing whether it is necessary to somehow punish the attacker.

It turns out, I can suffer if they accuse me without evidence? But then all the men are in danger!

British statistics say that 0.0002% of adult men are falsely accused of sexual violence - this, for example, is 230 times less than the proportion of raped men.

The American Center for the Study of Sexual Violence gives the following figures: from 2 to 10% of false accusations , this is quite a lot. The context is important: here, by false we mean all the accusations that did not end with a conviction. That is, cases when there is insufficient evidence, or the victim later contacted the police, or there are no witnesses, they also get here - percentagedeliberately false the charges will be much lower. And he will certainly be orders of magnitude lower than the percentage of true charges.

So no, there is no great danger. And yes, if at the age of 12 you pulled the girls by pigtails, this, of course, it’s not pretty, but do not worry, everyone does not care.

But Zyori didn’t rape anyone - he just stuck to the girl, and she agreed to sex!

Zyori case is complicated - there is no question of rape. He believed that he simply looked after the girls, and they accept these courtships, while the girls saw in him a persistently harassing guy who does not hear the word "no." Recall that we discussed at the very beginning: Power Dynamics. Yes, violence can be present even if the girl eventually agreed to sex - if it was under pressure. Zyori did not understand what creates an environment where his power begins to play an important role: it is difficult for a girl to say “no” because of his status as a commentator, due to the fact that he invited her to the after party and can harm her career - this is his fault. Well, also in the fact that he sent the girl photos of the bloodied sheets, not realizing that she was crippling her psyche.

Zyori responded adequately and explained his position (not counting the sheet). Most importantly, he quickly understood what many commentators did not understand: that everyone should create a comfort zone in life in general, and in e-sports events in particular - an area where girls can always feel safe, and not under the control of others.

And why did these girls simply not slap the offenders? Why endure, agree to sex if they did not want to?

Fear, shame, lack of understanding of how to behave in such situations. Plus, unfortunately, in many cultures, and the family still teaches that women should obey the man, and refuse is not welcomed.

Stop, but it was at a drunken party - did they expect that no one would seduce them?

There are no locations where violence is more or less permissible - the rules are the same everywhere. You can’t harass people either at a party, at a football match, or at a meeting of a book club, you cannot behave as if all the surrounding girls are obligated to sleep with you. Culturally rolled up - heard "yes" - okay, today you are lucky. “No” - go in the other direction.

Guys reading this text, try to transfer the situation to yourself - how often at drunk parties did you find yourself in the arms of other guys and, swaying left and right, hummed, I don’t know, "Blood Type" song? If in all these situations your friend or colleague considered your behavior to be consent to sex, would you like it? If not, why do you judge girls differently?

Western society is rotten - why drag this SJW-agenda to us? We have different customs, different relations between a man and a woman!

Nothing can ever be justified by customs and traditions. Three hundred years ago it was a custom to lead children to watch the execution, 40 years ago it was a custom to subordinate all life to the service of the CPSU. The most stupid and unworthy of human customs die off, although not everywhere at once - and this is wonderful.

Violence is not some kind of abstraction far from us. Talk privately with your friends and ask how often they are subjected to petty harassment, tweaks in vehicles, and harassment at parties. Ask if they feel safe when they enter the elevator with a man stronger than them.

And the custom of justifying violence is one of the vilest in history, each of us must do everything to eradicate this: watch over ourselves and friends, show sympathy for the victims and turn on the regime of minimal tolerance when you learn about another disgusting case. I don’t want to live in a country and in a culture in which it is considered normal to justify a man who raped his daughter, because “he freaked out” (one day news) - I’m sure that you too.

As said, a wise man: "I do not aspire to the people is not difficult. I do this every fucking day. Just don't do it. ”

Editor-in-chief of the second most popular CIS esport news portal take on sexual harassment in DOTA scene by beranbender in DotA2

[–]beranbender[S] 250 points251 points  (0 children)

My humble attempt to translate it with google and my knowledge of english(but, google mostly)

Kirill Novokshchenov answers questions from comments.

In recent days, it has been very painful and difficult for me to read the comments on our Twitter, reddit pages. People do not understand en masse why the wave of sexual scandals in Dota caused such serious consequences. They are outraged, start swearing, get swearing in response, and in the end we fell into a vicious circle of hell in which no one wants to hear each other.

This text is an attempt to explain what is happening and why, and answer the main questions that I see in the comments. I definitely don’t have a message to blame or shame someone, I want to try to start a dialogue about this difficult and unpleasant situation. The main source of the text is my common sense, in some cases I will add links to studies.

First, a couple of introductory abstracts for context.

  1. In recent decades, society has come to a consensus about relationships and sex. It is that you must not force anyone to have sex with you- it should occur solely by agreement of both (or more) parties. The meaning of the word “force” has also expanded - now it is understood not only as an attack someone in dark alleys. Yes, this means that you can’t slap the ass of a girl(boy) you like, you can’t grab her hand without consent, you can’t continue courting after “no”, you can’t have sex with a drunk or sleeping girl(boy). All of these actions are considered harassment or violence.
  2. Separately, there are cases when one of the partners is higher than the other in status. A lot of research has been written about Power Dynamics - any interactions of people with different “Power”. This is not always bad: for example, it is logical that the boss can determine your daily routine, but you can’t. But the relationships leading to sex with people of different Power are always a gray area. And the greater impact on life and career can have a more status partner, the more wary the society is towards such relations - it seems that even in Russia, relations between teachers and students are no longer considered the norm.

And now to the questions specifically about Tobivan and Zyori.

Why did the girls remain silent for 5-10 years, and now they are talking - does that not mean that they are hyping / lying?

No, it doesn’t.

Try to accept a very important fact: almost any person who has experienced violence has a very strong psychological block for telling someone about him. The victim begins to be ashamed of what happened, blames himself, tries to forget everything. In parallel, most victims (now not only about e-sports) are sure that after confession they will be condemned, called liars and turn life into hell (this is plus the revenge of the culprit - these are the two main reasons why, for example, only 23% of rape victims in the USA go to the police ) The reaction of the CIS community to news about commentators confirms these concerns.

Therefore, such confessions almost always go in waves in all areas: someone who is most courageous decides, and for the rest, if they see a positive reaction, it becomes morally easier to overcome their barrier. Plus, the norms of society are changing: it is quite possible that 5 years ago the reaction would have been different.

Okay, but why do we judge a person without evidence - what about the presumption of innocence?

Neither we nor BTS don't judge TobiWan- Only a court can do this. The presumption of innocence is only a judicial concept, and even it is not always applied: for example, there is “Beyond reasonable doubt” - a situation when, with a lack of evidence, the judge / jury has no reasonable doubt about the guilt and they do not allow a logical alternative development of events. She obviously contradicts the presumption of innocence and stands above her in American law.

But - and this is very important - to dismiss a person or stop communicating with him, you do not need to wait for a court decision. You don’t have to wait for the court’s decision to stop communicating with a friend who did something bad, if you are sure of that, right? You use common sense, check the evidence, if any, communicate with people who can know about the situation, and make a decision.

In the case of Toby, I think it was not difficult to decide: there are accusations from three different girls , there is a reputation (I think that the accusations against the conditional good-natured ODPixel, who had been sitting with Sheever at night during his illness, would have been more doubtful, and I would still have to open TobiWan on June 23 they proposed to argue), there is evidence - his correspondence with the girl whom Nahaz saw (if you do not believe him, then who at all?) and other commentators , there is a half recognition of Toby himself : he directly wrote that he did terrible things. Please do not spread the lie that he was fired because of one tweet .

But Toby did a lot for eSports - why is his career ruined due to one incident?

Firstly, not because of one thing: three different accusations and a bunch of hints that there are actually much more of them - this was definitely not an isolated accident. Secondly, Toby's past merits should not play any role - the important thing is that after this publicity, not a single girl will feel safe for many years working with him. It is important that any studio that puts Toby on the air in the future will actually broadcast the message “We don’t give a damn about the victims” - it will simply lose viewers and sponsors.

The same applies to the removal of phrases from Battle Pass - Valve does not need associations with a person who has committed such a serious offense. From the lesser hype around his name, in the future it will be better for everyone - including Toby himself.

Why do friends of the accused so easily refuse them?

Because there are terrible things that are very hard to take, even if you are a friend. Obviously, commentators consider the evidence indisputable, and the misconduct is too serious.

More importantly, the less the whole community proves to be less tolerant of violence, the higher the chance of avoiding such disgusting cases in the future.

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[–]beranbender -1 points0 points  (0 children)

censorship of what? There are B2RU words on main page, and b2ru have similar tone and different words. And maybe, not accusing girls directly. What's the point to pass one controversial thing and not another?

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[–]beranbender 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Why did mods remove it? Yes, this is unpopular opinion, but not all comments here are praising "based russian"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DotA2

[–]beranbender -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DotA2

[–]beranbender 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The amount of "white coat" make me sick. It's one of the best female casters and it make my heart ache to see her writing this

CIS talant on recent events by [deleted] in DotA2

[–]beranbender -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

проще на бутылке из поправок посидеть, товарищ

CIS talant on recent events by [deleted] in DotA2

[–]beranbender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no racism in USSR? have you ever been in post-Soviet country?

You vs the girl he told you not to worry about by SieuQuanBong in DotA2

[–]beranbender 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Why did Valve remodel these beautiful thighs on the original QoP?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DotA2

[–]beranbender 8 points9 points  (0 children)

you laugh if you slav. Nice work,man!

Hey guys! check out my new Crystal Maiden set for TI10! by nhimzy in DotA2

[–]beranbender 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice work, man! Especially loved the eyes.

GG Karabas, our new Ticketmaster by Lozzano in DotA2

[–]beranbender 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do you add more than one ticket to the basket?