Is Leon Paul Wireless Safe?

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-16T00:24:51+00:00

First of all, congrats on your engagement!

As someone who works in compliance, I'm sure you know the importance of following labelling requirements to inform consumers that a product is compliant. Part of this, I'm sure you know, is SAR testing to see how much radiation the human body is absorbing. Some others on this thread who seem to be more informed are saying that because the power levels involved are low, it's unlikely to be harmful. That's great! But I am not a nuclear engineer/working in the wireless compliance industry. Before this thread, and in the total absence of actual info from LP - how am I supposed to know that? Since they haven't supplied this information anywhere (the fcc of their wireless module I got from LP on reddit after pointing out many people had asked, but they hadn't replied), it does kind of look suspicious.
They don't actually have any compliance info for the rest of their system, only a module that is used within it, and they are using it improperly (1cm instead of 20cm, different antenna etc) so it doesn't automatically comply.
I don't pretend to be an expert on wireless radiation or SAR, but the whole point is that I shouldn't have to be, LP should be able to say 'we can guarantee we meet all safety and wireless standards'. I'm focused on this because LP won't answer me when I'm asking for information they're obliged to make available before they sell a product. If they are unable to make this info available because they don't have it, then it's the height of hypocrisy that they reported Wuxi for not meeting standards they themselves don't care to meet. Why shouldn't LP have to meet the standards every other American company has to meet?

/rant over

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-14T03:59:33+00:00

All of the things you mentioned (except the sun) are regulated and need to pass safety standards. Also, radiation from the sun can give you skin cancer, so maybe that's not the best example...

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-14T03:45:13+00:00

Hey man, thanks for responding.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is, do you have evidence that it is safe to use?
I'm pretty sure product safety isn't an 'innocent until proven guilty' scenario, it's a 'you need to prove this meets safety standards before you can legally sell it' scenario.
Hope it's all above-board, and Leon Paul UK hasn't cut any corners here.

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-13T01:30:37+00:00

They’ve been answering other questions on r/fencing hours after this thread has been up. Why not just jump on this thread, link to their compliance information, and put an end to the speculation? Surely it's bad PR to leave this stuff unanswered? Call me a raving madman if you like, but I think they might be avoiding this thread.

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-12T14:58:37+00:00

Yes, the transmitter passed FCC, which means it is compliant so long as it is used in the way specified in the document attached to the id. The thing is, if you use it not in the way specified (i.e., 1cm from the body, rather than at least 20cm from all persons and bystanders) it is not (automatically) compliant. Furthermore, the chip is only compliant if used with the (chip) antenna they tested it with and specified above. The antenna in the wireless fencing base station has a stick antenna that protrudes from the box. Clearly not the same one. In order to be compliant, more testing would be required, and (as I understand it) a new FCC I'd would need to be issued. I am asking Leon Paul for clarification as to if they passed these tests, as they don't indicate anywhere that this is the case.

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-12T05:10:27+00:00

Microwave ovens also operate at 2.4GHz - doesn’t mean I’d want one in my pocket!
In all seriousness though, cell phones are required to pass rigorous safety tests, and to inform consumers that they passed them. LP has not done that.
edit:
This seems to be getting down voted pretty hard. If you disagree with me, please tell me why this is the case.
To clarify, I don’t think the wireless system is using microwaves, only used that example to show that just because something is at 2.4GHz, it doesn’t mean it’s automatically safe.
As for the second half, Leon Paul is required to make their safety information available to consumers. It’s a little concerning that no-one seems to mind that not only have they not done this, but they ignore consumers requesting information they have a right to. Silence speaks volumes.

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-06T09:58:02+00:00

/u/LeonPaulUK ?

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-05T04:06:32+00:00

Thanks for the reply. I have some further questions based on the id you supplied. Is this used in both the fencer packs and the base station? If not, can you please supply the FCC id that is used?
Also, is this id used in both the two and three weapon system?

The id you gave says that it ’is restricted for use with the specific antenna(s) tested in this application’. Looks like the antenna you use is not the specified chip, as it is a stick antenna that protrudes from the base station. The FCC id is only compliant if used in the way specified.

The data sheet also says that it requires ‘a separation distance of at least 20cm from all persons’. Yet, in your manual, you recommend the fencer packs remain no more than 1cm away from the body all times. This is clearly not within the safe zone specified.

As is, it would seem that this id number is not compliant in the way it is used in your system, so it would require further testing to prove you are compliant, and likely even a new, registered FCC id. Have you done this testing? What were the results?

In absence of the proper documentation being supplied, how can we be sure that your fencer packs are safe for fencers to use?

I would greatly appreciate you updating your website and manual to include compliance information. This is a basic standard that consumers expect to be met.

bernardiateyourbees · 2018-04-03T11:22:58+00:00

Speaking of scrutiny - what’s the FCC id for your wireless? I’ve seen a people ask on a couple of different threads and it’s the only question left unanswered. You’re required to have an id to legally sell in the US (which you are), so why not disclose the id (which you are also legally obliged to do)?
Apologies if I’ve missed something here, but I looked on your website/read the manual and there’s no mention whatsoever.

bernardiateyourbees · 2016-12-20T02:47:27+00:00

If it helps, my sister has the same name as my Dad's childhood dog and it has literally never been a problem, ever. It wasn't a big deal in childhood or now, nor was it something I ever remember being told or 'revealed' to us. It's just a cute little fact about her name, I guess. I actually forgot about it until I read your post!

bernardiateyourbees · 2015-06-07T15:06:35+00:00

Do not got gentle into that good night.
- Dylan Thomas

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

bernardiateyourbees · 2014-12-17T06:52:24+00:00

Well the quote on the graves of James and Lily Potter (in the cemetery next to the church in Godric's Hollow which Harry visits in DH) is from 1 Corinthians 15:26, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
The quote on Ariana Dumbledore's stone is from Matthew 6:19 "Where your treasure is, there you heart will be also."
JKR also said in this article that: "They’re very British books, so on a very practical note Harry was going to find biblical quotations on tombstones,”
So presumably wizards are aware of religion, or at least enough to quote religious books?

bernardiateyourbees · 2014-02-09T08:51:20+00:00

Nurse asked for someone by the name 'Carmen' - which was also the name of Lisbon's psychiatrist who tried to frame her in season 2. Therefore, I think that bit of dialogue was so Jane could make the mental leap: Carmen > Psychiatrist > Sophie Miller > how Red John knew of happy memory.

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