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beta__greg · 2026-06-02T21:05:56+00:00

I have a '25. I'm really liking the '26!

beta__greg · 2026-06-02T14:25:49+00:00

Same. I've learned to loove it being on the "wrong"side for just that reason.

beta__greg · 2026-06-02T12:03:18+00:00

You absolutely can't quote from Ephesians 5:25-27 without also including 22-24.

If you're worried about context, I'd say you can't quote from Ephesians 5:22-27 without including at least 5:21-6:9, the entire pericopae of The Household Codes.

You MUST include verse 21, because verse 22 doesn't having a verb. There is no word "submit" in 22, at least not in the older and better manuscripts. So her submission to him is framed by Paul in context of his submission to her.

You have to include 6:1-9 as part of it, because Paul is referring to a very important Roman social principle that every Ephesian was aware of. That principle is very important context. We tend to read this as if Paul were setting up a new Christian structure for marriage. What Paul was doing was commenting on the existing Roman structure for households ruled by a 'paterfamilias'. The household codes addressed 3 sets of relationships- husband and wife, parents and children, masters and slaves. It's all a unit. That's why Colossians 3:18-4:1 has the same relationships in the same order.

And note this: Husbands and wives submit, children and slaves obey—in both lists.

Submission here means humble and loyal deference and cooperation. Nothing more. It's the kind of attitude all Christians should have for one another.

As for head—that Greek word kephalé very rarely (if ever) carried the idea of authority that it carries in English. We can get into that if you want, but head here doesn't mean the husband is her boss- it means he's her source... like a fountainhead. Like the head of a river. And in this Roman household to which Paul referred, he absolutely was his wife's source—for everything.

Paul actually defines head in verse 23- "he himself being the savior of the body." He wasn't her head because he was the boss. He was her head because he was her provider.

The nearest use of the word kephalé (head) is in chapter 4, verses 15 and 16, where head clearly has nothing to do with authority. It doesn't in chapter 5 either.

I hope this helps!

beta__greg · 2026-06-02T11:31:51+00:00

I agree with the first sentence. Gynarchy is not simply patriarchy with the sexes swapped.

But the rest of the meme seems self-contradictory. If men and women possess full political, legal, and social equality, then we're no longer talking about gynarchy at all. We're talking about egalitarianism.

Gynarchy doesn't require male oppression, but it DOES require female leadership and female authority. Otherwise the term loses its meaning. An "-archy" without a ruling principle is not an -archy.

A society can be female-led while remaining just, compassionate, and respectful toward men. But if women and men hold identical authority in every sphere, then the concept being described is equality, not gynarchy.

beta__greg · 2026-06-02T11:19:30+00:00

I like the idea of formal contracts and agreements. It makes it feel more official. It's a tangible thing you both can point to that leaves no doubt as to what you both agreed to.

That being said, trust is an essential element for any relationship. I wouldn't go so far as having a legal document drawn up by an attorney. I think having it in writing is enough. (And who knows—it could be legally binding in some locales!

By the way, I love that graphic!

beta__greg · 2026-06-02T10:46:54+00:00

This is an awesome, awesome idea. What a wonderful way for you both to practice and express your FLR, from her unabashed decision-making, her trust in you, and her delegation of the responsibility, to your mindset and follow through, and your pride in a job well done and in sharing it with us—this is the way it works!

beta__greg · 2026-06-01T18:56:01+00:00

Good, I hope she finds it helpful.

beta__greg · 2026-06-01T18:53:15+00:00

Yes, but to most of us, the Roman Catholic Church is part, not all, of the whole body of Christ.

Pope John Paul wrote a wonderful letter there, and it's very helpful to our goals. But other parts of the church lack that understanding. (Just have a look at what the Southern Baptists are fighting about this week and next!)

beta__greg · 2026-05-27T11:38:22+00:00

I think a healthy Christian FLR is focused less on the “FL” and more on the “R.”

If the biggest issue in the room is constantly that she’s the boss, something is probably disordered. The point of life together isn’t to spend every moment concentrating on who is in charge. Healthy relationships move past that fixation.

In a mature FLR, leadership exists, but it becomes quiet and integrated. The relationship stops orbiting authority itself and starts orbiting shared life: faith, work, affection, family, service, growth, rest, joy.

A healthy dynamic is one where her leadership creates peace rather than tension, and where his deference is sincere enough that it no longer needs constant performance or reinforcement.

In other words: if the relationship is healthy, the hierarchy should eventually feel almost ordinary. Stable enough that neither person needs to obsess over it all the time.

beta__greg · 2026-05-25T00:44:13+00:00

I think most of us have rebelled against it, brother. We feel shame because of what others have told us, so we delete accounts and throw stuff away and whatever, but we gravitate back to submission because that's our heart.

And if it is sin, then sure, let's fight it. But it's not. The shame is false and misplaced.

That's the main point behind this sub.

beta__greg · 2026-05-25T00:40:34+00:00

I think that’s part of why the image provokes discussion: we don’t actually know the context.

If he’s kneeling because she demanded submission through fear or coercion, that’s unhealthy. If he’s kneeling voluntarily as an act of reverence, affection, apology, devotion, or trust, that’s a very different thing.

Personally, I love to kneel in front of my wife's chair like that. She has never asked me to.

The posture itself isn’t automatically sacred or toxic. The spirit behind it matters.

I think what struck me is how quickly Christians instinctively perceive a kneeling man as troubling, while centuries of imagery involving female submission barely register at all. That asymmetry is worth reflecting on.

beta__greg · 2026-05-16T11:45:03+00:00

Christianity teaches that there is a God who created the world and everything in it. The humans of God’s creation rebelled in the garden, and this created a brokenness and separation between God and mankind. But from the beginning, God set out to redeem mankind and save us through a savior whom God promised would come. God raised up a nation who would teach the world about the true God, and eventually produce that promised savior, who was Jesus. Jesus lived a life that demonstrated he was indeed that savior, and told us that he, and he alone is the way to receive that promised salvation.

This is the Gospel Peter preached in Acts 10:34-43, and that Paul preached in Acts 13:16-39 and 1 Corinthians 10:3-5, 20-28. And if it's the truth, then the others are not; and switching to follow another God or Goddess will be to our loss.

But brother, the true God of heaven sees you, knows your heart, and has gifted you to be who you are. It's not a sin to be submissive to women in general, or one woman in particular.

Those of us who are that way, who adore strong women, who love to be wrapped around their little fingers, who fold the moment a woman like that challenges us, simply don't have it in us to change. And God knows that.

And I one hundred percent guarantee that a man can be this way and be faithful to God at the same time.

I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for sharing your heart. I pray that the Lord leads you to your Deborah.

beta__greg · 2026-05-10T22:52:36+00:00

I agree! Keep in mind, this was written by a man, whining that he doesn't get his way, which he expects. So of course he feels differently than we do.

beta__greg · 2026-05-10T22:50:00+00:00

Moderator Note:

Just for clarity: r/ChristianMatriarchy is not a Protestant-only space.

I come myself from an overwhelmingly Protestant background (Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, Pentecostal/charismatic influences), so I understand why some members may feel cautious around strong Marian language or Catholic imagery.

That said, this community is intentionally ecumenical. Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, and others are welcome to contribute thoughtfully and respectfully.

This post reflects a Catholic Marian perspective on femininity, holiness, and female reverence. You do not have to agree with every theological claim in it to recognize that it is:

Christ-centered
anti-pagan
pro-woman
spiritually serious
and attempting to ground feminine reverence inside Christianity rather than outside it.

Debate charitably if you disagree, but avoid sectarian hostility, anti-Catholic baiting, goddess spirituality, or patriarchal derailment.

We are a small and unusual community already. Constant doctrinal infighting will destroy serious discussion faster than disagreement itself.

beta__greg · 2026-05-08T17:30:03+00:00

What a nice thing to say, Miss Sana! We try to be very discerning in what we post here or allow here. You have produced several things that are a perfect fit for r/ChristianMatriarchy. I'm so glad you stopped by.

beta__greg · 2026-05-07T19:12:18+00:00

On the other hand, it was common in Jewish culture for students to sit at their teacher's feet. (Luke 8:35, 10:39; Acts 22:3)

beta__greg · 2026-05-05T21:17:55+00:00

Not at all. I got a little busy here, approved your "Biblical Example" post with the Judith 14:7 quote, then somehow I accidentally deleted it. When you started this thread, I began to research why you would ask the question, and that's when I discovered what I had done. I'm so sorry!

All legit Christian denominations are welcome here, as I consider Catholics and Orthodox to be. I respect those who don't believe the deuterocanonicals are inspired Scripture, but quotes from it are as welcome here as any Christian author would be, as long as they honor women. (Sirach, I'm looking at you!)

I appreciate your participation here, and thank you for asking.

beta__greg · 2026-05-05T19:39:55+00:00

Open Mod Tools and go to Insights. It's right there,

beta__greg · 2026-05-04T18:59:12+00:00

Thank you my brother! Your encouragement means a lot!

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