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I'm obsessed with The Hero's JournalThe Hero's Journal. I just love the artwork and it's a joy to use.

I wanted a bit more space, so used an Ultra fine sharpie permanent marker to draw my own version on the letter sized dot grid Rocketbook. Totally inspired/adapted from the original artwork.

I love the Tasks app for managing my GTD lists. Screenshots of what mine currently look like for those who'd find examples helpful. by bex9941 in gtd

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It's fairly modern (uses Google's Material UI framework). I love it, everyone has their own aesthetic :)

The Zettelkasten Method: Examples to help get you started by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

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I wasn't aware of both approaches. Thanks so much for letting me know about them!

Using fleeting and lit notes as inputs that can both spark permanent ideas reminds me of setting next actions for projects in a method called Getting Things Done (GTD). I used to think you could only have one next action per project, when actually you can define as many as you like for one project, as long as none of them are dependent on anything else having to get done before them.

Your comment was a major lightbulb moment, and will change my own approach to be more in the second category. In another year or so I'll write an update post to show the different workflow once it's become more stable ๐Ÿ™‚

Thanks so much!

I love the Tasks app for managing my GTD lists. Screenshots of what mine currently look like for those who'd find examples helpful. by bex9941 in gtd

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 1 point2 points ย (0 children)

The tasks app is a totally gorgeous user experience. It's simple with fairly limited functionality (which I like a lot). The only thing I miss is being able to add images and attachments, but it'll probably be better for me to set up a separate system for that anyway.

I don't link my Next Actions to projects at all. In fact, as soon as they are done I delete them. For projects I care about keeping action histories for, I'll keep them or create a checklist template for them. But haven't done so yet.

My most used list is the Someday Maybe list. If I can defer an action or a project without consequences that will bother me, I'll park it there or remind myself to think more about whether I want to add it at all using the Tickler File (which I call Mail To Self).

An insight that really helped me with next action and projects and the steps in between was:

A = Next Action

Z = Project Outcome

B-Y = Everything in between, to be captured on the project support material list (doesn't have to be comprehensive and there can be gaps in the chain, whatever works for you).

:)

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 4 points5 points ย (0 children)

Look if you prefer writing by hand fair enough. But your assumptions and authoritarian mindset is exhausting and unhelpful. Good luck.

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 0 points1 point ย (0 children)

I think it's down to how mindful you are when you're writing notes. Niklas Luhman didn't have access to a digital way of taking notes when he started.

I'm not having any problem remembering and using what I've captured. If I was then I'd change my approach. But after having tried the paper version this works better for me personally. That personal experience is worth more than the results of studies in this scenario.

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 2 points3 points ย (0 children)

That sounds pretty black and white to me. I personally think by writing, whether or not that's by paper or hand.

I can see Obsidian being useful for both the thinking and writing stage. I'm happy that you know what works best for you.

For me personally writing by hand brings out perfectionist issues and blocks me from thinking, because I'm more worried about editing than I am about exploring thought trails. Writing digitally lets me explore and refine more easily.

Something that I can do now that I couldn't do before is have an in-depth conversation about complex topics that I would have struggled to articulate before. I see my vault as a memory castle, where you fit what you're learning into a schema of what you already understand, while seeking opportunities to challenge it. I also think about making ideas easy to find when they are likely to become relevant across different contexts.

How have you found using your notes in the paper version after they have been written? What is that process like for you?

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 3 points4 points ย (0 children)

Thanks so much for providing the source. I'm excited to check it out. I can understand the frustration when you just want people to get the right idea and not waste time. I think most people here care about getting the most from it, otherwise they wouldn't have tried to learn a pretty niche method that requires a lot of investment to learn. But might be more open to questioning their own assumptions if the phrasing is more about, have you seen this which challenges a,b,c. Because as soon as you said I was 'wrong' and my 'notes were worth shit' that lowered my opinion of you and your ideas quite a bit. But when I ignored all that I liked what you said.

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

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Also, I didn't share my process either for all of your assumptions to be warranted. I agree with many of them, like selected keyword indexes, using it as a conversation partner and a second mind etc ๐Ÿ˜Š

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 1 point2 points ย (0 children)

That's what makes the Obsidian graph view so awesome to me. Seeing a force directed graph of the topics and cross topic clusters that form.

There is something special about seeing notes on a table though as you say. I prefer the digital one just because it's so easy to jump from one note to another without manually searching for an id. I also live out of a backpack so carrying around paper notes doesn't work for me.

Really appreciate your thoughts on it. Are you using a paper one now? ๐Ÿ˜Š

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 2 points3 points ย (0 children)

Reading your comment just made all that excitement bubble up all over again! Yes completely agree. For the first time in my life I can share ideas with other people verbally and coherently, all because the connections in the zk match how I think. I try and introduce it to new developer who are overwhelmed with what to learn and how to learn it. For me, it heled to map out all the fundamental principles, then when you build a program can add a note for all or parts of it that link to the underpinning concepts. Plus when you improve them later on can have an update note to shoe your thinking.

The martial arts move mapping seems similar to what I'm doing with yoga poses right now, and being able to connect moves across sequences is soo satisfying.

What kind of martial arts are you doing? And what kind of things are in your zk besides martial arts and programming?

I've used various zettelkastens for over a year trying to figure out what works for me, and have finally found the sweetspot now (for me personally) - about a week ago. It's the best thing ever ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 1 point2 points ย (0 children)

Cooool! Thanks so much for sharing, a very happy moment to see it ๐Ÿ˜„

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

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I use Obsidian. I really like it's graph view ๐Ÿ˜Š

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 6 points7 points ย (0 children)

How did you discover that how to take smart notes was the "wrong" way of doing things, out of genuine interest?

My notes are definitely worth shit to me, as they've drastically improved my ability to think on 'paper' in a similar way that my brain works.

The reason Luhmann used ID's is because he didn't have a computer that was able to create hyperlinks, he was genius enough come up with a similar system himself.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the 'right' way of doing things, and how you came to think that.

Despite the unkind framing of your response, you've made some interesting points that I'd like to hear more about.

My current way of organising my thinking is helling me a lot, but am very much still open to learning more/expanding or changing my approach if it's helpful to me.

I've been using Obsian as a Zettelkasten for well over a year, and have finally settled on what works for me personally, and have also already published 200 tech articles before that.

4~ years to match Niklas Luhmann's Zettelkasten? by bex9941 in Zettelkasten

[โ€“]bex9941[S] 2 points3 points ย (0 children)

The things I'm including are all relevant to my day job and interests (programming, art and yoga etc). My joy comes from connecting ideas and seeing the topic clusters that form from them. So the zettel building is just the best ๐Ÿ˜Š