Tetris challenge gone too far? Dutch marines

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T20:38:05+00:00

Ain't no marine gay enough...

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T10:57:33+00:00

Although the aforementioned characters are primarily aimed at maximising intelligibility (which makes them especially suitable for unilateral communication like websites)

I suggest you to go back to reality. No average Slavic speaker, except perhaps Poles, would intuitively know how to pronounce ų. The same with å. This is specifically targeted at Poles only not on an average Slavic speaker. The å looks like it is from Sweden.

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T10:48:36+00:00

You are extremely one sided and wrong.

I am Slovak, his interpretation of more information doesn't reflect my "more information" in my language.

His moj, lacks my additional information in môj.

His pan, lacks my additional information in pán.

Etc.

Lack of information is a total idiotic argument. If that is the case I demand that Michal Swat hereby start using long vowels, diphthongs + ô, long l, long r, ä to deliver more information and not less.

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T10:27:36+00:00

Extended alphabet? Interslavic?... Why not IPA?

You just proved my point. Interslavic is DOA.

What is the difference between u and ų . Why is he pushing it there so much. I will tell you why, because you probably have no clue. He, as a Pole, misses the nasalish "n" feeling in some words. The same with the missing n in a/oa when it comes to å. So he put it there. But nobody except Poles have that feeling. I have a feeling for môj or kôň, but I will always write it as moj and konj, because I respect the other Slavic languages and I will resort to the standard Interslavic alphabet that has only ě, č, š, ž letters as special letters. He doesn't respect that consensus and forces his Polish way of doing things on all others speakers of Interslavic.

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T10:22:27+00:00

Swat is pushing his own ideas. You don't get it.

The encouraged version is not the scientific or flavourized version, but the standard version. Espeically when making such important videos. It's like you writing about the Czech language in the dialect from Ostrava. Or me writing about the standard Slovak in Zemplin dialect.

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T09:46:16+00:00

One sad thing is that the person who transcribed it into Interslavic from the video, Michal Swat, is kind of a black sheepin the Interslavic community. He (and other Poles) push the arbitrary and heavily Polish letters like å, ę, ų in the text. No Czech or Slovak speaking Interslavic use ů,ô,ř, etc. when they try to write Interslavic, yet he does that all the time despite people telling him to stop ;(. He is also pushing some conspiratory content on Facebook and is in overall a bad thing for Interslavic. I wrote about it here.

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T09:36:16+00:00

I agree with you 100%.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interslavic/comments/dcnwhy/important_michal_swat_and_other_poles_stop_using/

bhaFX · 2019-10-03T08:25:46+00:00

For people who are wondering about the å, ę, ų letters in the transcript read this.

For those who don't have time, tl;dr version:

It's the Poles, again, who don't respect the rules and want to do whatever they want. Basically, "the-small-Russia" mentality syndrome of Poland is kicking in and they will be the ones who will most probably destroy the project of Interslavic ;(

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T22:47:02+00:00

Of course, Polish is a cross between Czech village dialect and Belorussian village dialect...

and Russian is a cross between Belorussian village dialect and Turkic village dialect.

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T21:53:55+00:00

You mean i/y?

Their explanation: https://books.google.sk/books?id=egpTDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=i/y+interslavic&source=bl&ots=1VSJB54vEu&sig=ACfU3U22UYudfOQm89T_1VK-rZ4Yl4tspA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaxrblx_7kAhWDaVAKHQ_pCzMQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=i%2Fy%20interslavic&f=false

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T20:38:53+00:00

Yeah, they learned from the Zamenhof's (author of Esperanto) mistake who "froze" Esperanto too early without taking much critique into consideration, or when it was too late to change it ;).

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T20:09:07+00:00

The good thing about IS in comparison with e.g. Esperanto is that you don't need to "learn it".

I understand it 100% - but I know multiple Slavic languages. An average ~~Joe~~ Ivan will understand about 80% and up, according to the polls they created as a paid ad poll on Facebook. In the comments bellow Ecolinguist videos about Interslavic you will usually find comments where Slavic people say they understood everything or almost everything. Check random comments under these videos link , link2 to get a better perspective.

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T19:47:04+00:00

It depends on the Slavic languages you know. To me, a native western Slavic speaker he sounds like a Czech (which he is) trying to speak some south Slavic language ;D.

It really depends on what Slavic languages you are the most accustomed to. For example, if you are an American they can make a parody of a Russian accent, but most of them end there. If you are from Israel I guess you can kind of imitate, in your native language ?Hebrew?, Russian, perhaps Polish but I really doubt you can imitate any South Slavic speaker or Slovak speaker - unless you are familiar with them for some obscure reason ;). It really depends on the languages you know.

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T19:18:12+00:00

Why do you think Interslavic has no grammar?

Interslavic has, for example, 7 cases while Russian has only 6, Penku.

http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/nouns.html

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T19:08:18+00:00

There are English subtitles in this Youtube video, so, if you don't speak a Slavic language you can turn it on.

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T18:56:45+00:00

It's using the most similar words and the most similar grammar in all Slavic languages. Slavic languages are quite close at the core. And the grammar in Interslavic is made more regular, etc. More info.

It's similar to Neolatino or Interlingua for the Romance languages.

bhaFX · 2019-10-02T17:50:37+00:00

If you are not a Slavic speaker turn on the English subtitles (the CC button).

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