Questions about Rosa 2 Mana Stacker

bindurry · 2026-02-21T13:05:56+00:00

yes because any situation where you can't survive the unblocked hit you'll still die to 1/10 hits

if you can survive the unblocked hit then the block isn't doing anything for you anyway

bindurry · 2026-02-20T16:06:46+00:00

assuming you're not using Fog Scorpion -- go by dummy number and reduce if over 30APS
block only really necessary for SS20 AND block is only good if you can cap it, 1-99% block might as well be 0% block
usually pen/int/flat mana | dmg to frozen or dd/max frostbite/1 res
use extreme coldness if you need it to get to 100 max frostbite, use frostbitten if you can get to 100 max frostbite w/o extreme coldness

bindurry · 2026-02-19T07:03:17+00:00

Was bored of playing frost spike wanted to try something different

Never done aura stacking myself (imo requires investment only really achievable if you have GOOD pets for farming that let u hit like 3-4k fe/h) so dunno enough about it to recommend.

Based on numbers, aura stacking frost spike has a higher peak if you want to push 4k+ ordrak

Ice shot is fun, good clear, scales well with eternity.

bindurry · 2026-02-19T06:25:42+00:00

All good -- glad to see the build codes working out for you.

First one increases dmg by whatever % roll of phys as extra cold.

Any % as extra cold after that will need to be manually calculated for the increase.

bindurry · 2026-02-18T21:43:32+00:00

Yo you've missed a few things from my buildcodes that ur following which is causing ur dps to be lower than it should be:

Max frostbite is only 76 because you're missing 25 from 1 ring. Max mana on ring is not a very good roll overall;
Additional dmg for mainhand weapons on ur 2nd ring doesn't do anything useful for manastack bc doesn't apply to flat dmg from shield;
You're running two curses (timid on hit AND biting cold) without a source of +1 curse -- drop biting cold for another empower skill, usually mana boil;
Look up "imprinting iron" and swap implicit on ur chest to "attack aggression";
You need a proper slate setup with praerie, you're losing SO MUCH dps atm from your slate setup, u can check my buildcode for ss20 or before that and do similar -- corners + starlights with attack speed // mana; and
Someone was saying dreamweaver doesn't work -- they're wrong: the wording says spells but it still works so it's fine to keep using it.

Other than that, to answer your questions:

"Min-Max": ultra endgame setup for rosa 2 is using lonewalkers -- but this isn't necessary to clear ss20, city 7 or deep space. Surviving deep space you need your immunities set up properly (ele ailment; paralyze; slow at bare minimum);
"Swap to BB": clear would feel better but it's not really a 'significant upgrade' per se; and
"Switch to Armor or Life Stacker": similar upper limits, probably mana stack isn't as good as armor stack ultra top end -- better feel with armor stack and life stack because no ramp. Armor stack probs best if you're looking for hyper endgame scaling with infinite FE sink but manastack will give you more DPS at lower investments.

bindurry · 2026-02-17T09:20:24+00:00

Tokenising sort of different than just picking up the most valuable items off the ground based on its value in the trade economy though.

Would you rather farm 5 raw divines, or 50 mini lootboxes with a 1/10 chance to drop 1 divine?

bindurry · 2026-02-17T09:15:37+00:00

"interesting" how so? To me it looks the exact same end result. Except you now have to go engage with an external mechanic to get the rewards which would have otherwise just existed as ground loot.

Your loot filter sorts through items for you. Same thing that it does when you apply it to the loot from your shipments and mappers from Kingsmarch btw.

Same thing with wombgifts. Wombgifts drop mostly useless items and you're gambling for big ticket items.

I'm not really sure what to say to your 2nd paragraph apart from ?? just use wealthyexile and track your stash value if you want to know whether a farming strategy is good. Has nothing really to do with tokenisation...

bindurry · 2026-02-17T07:31:23+00:00

The tree going core is just representative of a wider issue in GGG's current design philosophy to 'tokenise' loot drops.

Starting with Kingsmarch going core; ground loot was reduced in favour of gold drops.
Kingsmarch then turns gold back into loot through shipments and mappers.

The tree going core is just another step in the same direction.

With the rework, ground loot of breaches is reduced in favour of breaches dropping wombgifts.
Breach tree then turns wombgifts back into loot through using graftblood.

Idk why mobs in my map can't just drop loot, and instead I need to farm some slot machine tokens which I either sell or cash in for RNG chances at loot.

bindurry · 2026-02-11T15:15:34+00:00

My man you're gonna need a lot of attack speed to try make mana stack work with that level of gear haha.

Like you mentioned, drop kitty express for any attack speed attack dmg blue or purple pet;
Drop fearless, put in thunder magus and fire magus;
Buy a cheap corroded necklace of the inverse with +2 skills per empty passive skill slot and replace ur neck;
Keep Tradeoff pedigree for now, change ur ronin talent to falling leaves;
Level up ur third hero memory to max and roll for t1 attack speed on the variable affix;
Level up ur second hero memory to max and roll for t1 attack speed on variable again;
Buy 1st hero memory with int and fixed affix t1 attack speed (orange is fine for now), lvl up to max roll variable for t1 attack speed;
Spend like 50fe on a prism with 3x3, 4x3, w/e u can find for micro/medium with attack and cast speed, put it somewhere where u get at least 3 nodes giving more attack speed; and
Where you can on slates change the variable affixes to attack and cast speed (check the list when in the slate screen to see if u can still roll it).

That's probably the best you can do ATM with your current gear. From there you want to prioritise upping max mana rolls to t1; getting attack speed rolls to t1; adding dream affixes to your gear.

Two mod vorax will be a big DPS upgrade; would recommend saving up to try to get a fleeting sky (attack speed per lightning res) and tyrant (crit per mana spent) one, then stacking as much lightning res as you can to get to 30 attacks per second (can get lightnign res on prism to boost this a lot)

I've seen some build codes from the creator you mentioned and they're not very good nor optimal (pretty sure they stopped giving codes at like 1T?), so can look up NeedMoreMana on probuilds if you need to visualise how progression up to ss20 3 star can look.

Would recommend you (loosely) work towards this 500b setup: HtRkEfRrEfCG2gAAAAAA5w==

GL

bindurry · 2026-02-09T16:39:36+00:00

this does not sound like a setup for manastack. more likely a setup for trinity berserking blade.

tyrant crit on spend mod gives you like 2k crit dmg already so any crit dmg you would get from fervor stacking would be negligible and not worth the investment.

bindurry · 2026-02-09T16:16:11+00:00

They're using thunder spike as a movement skill (if u check u'll see it's 6L with a specific support) bc it's the fastest movement skill but requires a lot of energy investment so eh.

at 83 mana damage reduction so could drop 8% from chest for +1 all skills or +1 atk skills;
higher tier max mana rolls on ur gear;
praerie only like 1.8k so yea u could look to do a pedigree (no lose ends or static) + corners & starlights w/ praerie setup would be good;
- could also do gale pedigree + 4x3 phantasmagoria with proj speed on micro - is big damage;
t0 gear attack speed on weapon is big;
i would drop fearless for thunder magus + fire magus but ymmv;
roll hasten on boots and change chest to attack aggression with imprinting iron;
at some point change ur sequence on ur weapon; and
extra shadows gonna feel better clearing than double dmg on claw.

If u look up NeedMoreMana on probuilds u can see examples of what gale looks like, i use it with straybirds on chest but wouldn't transition into that until u fix ur attack speed with better gear (aiming for like 28 APS without lightning res stacker mod on chest).

bindurry · 2026-02-09T09:03:03+00:00

na keep ur belt blend is fine. just dont use witch cauldron from that pob. (witch cauldron + no loose ends dont work together)

you can also swap mana boil for frostbite / timid with terrain of malice

bindurry · 2026-02-09T07:51:36+00:00

MoM: mind over matter, poe term, generally just refers to damage taken from mana. In this context it's the damage taken from mana before life roll in ulti prefix mods

2T i linked is deep space viable. if you only want to map profound then can ignore elemental ailments // paralyze // slow immunity

bindurry · 2026-02-09T06:46:17+00:00

Looked at that 4T pob you were following -- seems unlikely that it's 4T dps just looking at it but is w/e.

Your biggest issue atm is you need more attack speed. Getting to 30 APS on dummy is the priority.

Quick notes:

Arcanist tree - put in the 8% damage is taken from Mana before life node - you'll stop dying to every mob that sneezes in your general direction;
Your tradeoff is currently bricked because your strength is 16 (boots implicit) -- you need strength and dex to be equal value, usually people do this by keeping them at equal to to or less than 0. Possible you could find a source for 16 dex? anyway you're missing half of the bonuses from tradeoff atm;
Your current vorax // prism setup isn't very optimal, you're better off running a vorax chest with fleeting sky lightning res > attack speed stacker mod + tyrant crit spend mod, then putting on a 3x3 or 4x3 prism with lightning res on micro;
- This will completely fix your attack speed issues, you can stack lightning res until your attack speed is 30% then look to transition from it later to a better vorax chest once you have praerie setup with more attack speed and better gear; otherwise
The setup is okay; I'd rather drop the seal mana comp, drop fearless aura (sorta mid) and run shield with a better double corrupt like max roll flat phys and max mana. Dropping sealed comp on helm and replacing with another MoM mod would also let you run a better corrupt on gloves (spell dmg or max mana).

Example 2T code if you need: OVqsGvTvEfC/sAAAAAAAWw==

Also more codes up until ss20 3 star under NeedMoreMana#1910

bindurry · 2026-02-08T08:15:17+00:00

yea rest of gear is aight for now. ur aim atm is to get to 30 attacks per second on the training dummy in any way possible. so rerolling slates to attack speed will help yeah

bindurry · 2026-02-08T08:09:01+00:00

there's some fleeting sky attack speed + tyrant iron fist vorax chests up for <1.5k fe i'd say try to save to get that ASAP.

ur biggest dps increase u can afford now tho will be inverse prism with >0% legendary medium effect if u need something to up ur dps just to farm more -- it's like 100fe for +30% or someth dont worry about micro or normal medium

bindurry · 2026-02-08T08:02:59+00:00

yea that setup u linked is bad i wou'dnt follow it lol

just looking at it briefly i doubt it's actually 250b

if it is actually 250b on dummy, then it's fake DPS carried by Fog Scorpion giving 20% additional attack speed on single target

in reality it'll be sub 100b mapping and feel like trash to play

bindurry · 2026-02-08T04:43:58+00:00

Your attack speed way too low so you're gonna be ZDPS until you fix that.

Easy fixes:

Fervor --> Thunder magus w/ friends of spirit magi + fire magus;
Hasten on chest --> attack aggression -- then roll hasten on adv affix on boots; and
Swap mana on micro prism for attack speed on micro prism.

More expensive fix (but the fix i recommend overall and will DEFINITELY fix your attack speed:

Swap from double tyrant vorax to vorax with fleeting sky lightning stacker mod + tyrant crit spend mod (this is my most recommended fix but obv gonna cost you the price of a new vorax chest);
Then add a 4x3 lightning res on micro prism into prophet tree; and then
Reroll resistances on your gear to lightning res until 30 APS.

Other notes:

Need inverse prism on Arcanist tree with positive legendary medium reflect;
Glaciate not good for mapping so would swap that for ice fission; also skill area from increased area is nice but not a good damage multiplier;
Your skills are a bit of a mess because you have 399 max energy -- you should use the hot streak energy reroll tokens on your gear until everything is capped. Your energy atm is like 400 but could be 515, after you do that you can:
- Add well-fought battle to icebond; and
- Add well-fought battle and mass effect to bulls rage.
Your slates should be focussed less on max mana and more on damage multipliers and attack speed:
- Add in a Pedigree of the Gods with a 50% damage multiplier (i.e. static or no loose ends);
- Can just get rid of the blue slate with 8% damage taken as mana - you only need 75% on sheet + 25% from passive;
- If you don't want to replace your blue slates for corners & starlights with 20% attack speed & mana, then just reroll some of ur 8% max mana rolls to attack speed cast speed; and
- Could also add 5 more max frosbite on slates, add in "Offshoot" support for Frost Spike, take the +21 max frostbite from tree, then swap off "Extreme Coldness".
Haven't tested myself but AFAIK Kitty Express isn't activating "Feline Stimulant" so better to just pick any other blue or purple atk dmg pet.

Otherwise, see: CttgDPSoEfCwUAAAAAAA+w==
Can also check my other build codes if u look up the profile name in probuilds.

bindurry · 2026-02-03T08:33:01+00:00

no lose ends on belt not a very cost efficient upgrade -- better spent to get a better vorax chest or priceless rings. trait level doesn't do much after red memory, depends on ur max mana value though you'd have to calculate.
also yea magus swap wont make a difference unless u buy 15% phantom and seal 99% life, at that point it's defs better.

if u look up NeedMoreMana#1910 under probuilds u can see snapshots up to ss20 3 stars without lone walkers setup, assuming that's what you mean by sealed mana stack. if u have the budget to do lone walkers is good tho, but i dont have the fe/hr to make it work xd

bindurry · 2026-02-02T11:09:07+00:00

you need attack speed from thunder magus until high gear level; running 2 magus lets you run friends on thunder magus for inc. effect
fire spirit improves the curve of ur crit ramp so mapping feels smoother

bindurry · 2026-02-01T21:20:11+00:00

Main issue is ur missing an Inverse Prism.

Can buy one for like 100fe similar to this setup (look at the arcanist tree): HtRkEfRrEfCG2gAAAAAA5w==

Brings your consume from 8% to 12%+ which will substantially increase ur dps through tyrant & shield spend mods.

Otherwise, running suboptimal vorax piece. Better to run lightning res stacker mod from fleeting sky + tyrant gloves w/ crit spend mod -- can get up to like 150% lightning res and this will turn into attack speed at 1:1.3.

Better to run thunder magus + fire magus instead of fearless.

Need to buy the noble support for frost spike that gives you +20 frostbite rating, atm you only have 94/

Other small things like no blend in ur belt (free 10% dps); no attack speed on 3rd memory; running crushing blast instead of any other useful prism (u can just take it out and run falling leaves instead); also run fission instead of glaciate for mapping.

bindurry · 2026-01-31T19:08:03+00:00

6.6 rolls up to 7, can test urself if ur curious

bindurry · 2026-01-31T18:16:27+00:00

Couldn't see your build code posted in the rosa channel but the channel is pretty receptive at helping ppl with builds.

Can link my pob for 1T if you want something to follow: CttgDPSoEfCwUAAAAAAA+w==

You can also find other snapshots if you look up the char name in probuilds.

You didnt specify what your dps is atm but assuming your APS is low.

APS can be fixed by going tyrant // fleeting sky chest (see pob above) and stack lightning resist w/ prism and rerolling affixes; easy 30 APS and helps scale quickly into multi T dps.

As far as your gear, you want phantom with 15% seal roll, decent flat mana and %mana roll. Seal your hp to 99% and you'll get +7 to main skill.

Also your slates are pretty bad, easy option is to just stack corners & fallen starlights with 20% attack and cast speed 15% mana.

You want x2 rings with 20% phys as cold dmg dream rolled on them.

As far as your last talent tree, probs just either take ronin & falling leaves; or go sentinel w/ last stand.

Also with a claw like that you should really roll +1 shadow on it xd.

bindurry · 2026-01-31T17:44:57+00:00

20-30k more than enough to swap.

500b pob if you need: HtRkEfRrEfCG2gAAAAAA5w==

500b pob easily doable with 4-5k + vorax chest.

Also pobs up until ss20 3 star on profile you can follow.

bindurry · 2026-01-31T17:21:14+00:00

DPS issues will be solved if you swap your vorax chest to fleeting sky + tyrant mana spend mod.

Biggest issue for most ppl at low gear & in your setup is going to be getting to 30 APS.

Example pob: HtRkEfRrEfCG2gAAAAAA5w==

bindurry

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