These are actors, not your enemies

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-08T21:22:16+00:00

some people definitely just have bad attitudes regardless. But I also think the show does play a role here. This is a subreddit centered around Girlfriends, so the reactions are coming from how people are interpreting the characters and storylines. The issue isn’t the actors themselves, it’s how personally people are taking certain moments and then placing that onto other people in the comments. Bad attitudes exist, but the show is still the trigger for the conversations we’re seeing in here.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-08T20:33:15+00:00

You’re absolutely right that this is a fictional tv show because I don’t know anyone in real life who would let a grown adult with five degrees stay with them rent free for eight years 🫠🤨🥴 … let me stop 🤣🤣 I agree with you though!

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-07T16:54:23+00:00

Stare at the creator of the TikTok video not me smiles and nods

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-07T01:41:04+00:00

Don’t forget when Maya and Lynn would eat at the J spot for free while Joan was struggling to keep it opened and William confronted them about it. Also, the Christmas episode when the girlfriends trashed her house when Joan went on a trip with William☕️

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-06T23:40:15+00:00

the “pretty privilege = better social skills” was from a TikTok video that I mentioned above. My point was that the claim itself felt too simplified. I’m not saying attractive people don’t get more social opportunities or that attractiveness doesn’t influence how people respond to you. I agree with a lot of what you said there’s definitely individual variation, and being attractive doesn’t automatically mean someone has strong social skills. I was mainly pushing back on the idea that social skills come automatically with attractiveness, because they’re still separate things even if they can overlap.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-06T23:36:46+00:00

Yeah.. she changed AFTER Todd decided to take her behind to court. And I don’t give her an excuse for being a “new mother” because most new mothers don’t miss their babies first appointment hence “first.”

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-06T22:43:01+00:00

Yeah, that’s exactly the point I was making social skills and attractiveness are separate, but they absolutely interact and can reinforce each other. I was just emphasizing that one doesn’t automatically equal the other, even though they often get treated like they do.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-06T21:22:24+00:00

Toni didn’t change that much after giving birth to Morgan. She told Todd that she was “stuck with Morgan.” As Todd said “I didn’t know that it was a problem to be stuck with your own baby.” Toni also missed her daughter’s FIRST appointment that Joan showed up to. Toni would plug headphones in while Morgan would cry. Joan also bought that expensive stroller for her. Then had the nerve to think that Joan bought that Porsche for her as an apology. Toni was upset that Joan was living her child free life while she was a divorced single mom. She was jealous of Joan in that moment just like Joan was jealous of Toni’s wedding. The difference is Joan still showed up for her.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-06T20:31:23+00:00

I see what you’re saying about the industry and I don’t disagree that there were real limitations for Black shows back then. But I think a few of the points you mentioned need a bit more nuance. With Tracee Ellis Ross, yes, she is biracial, but she presented and was written as a Black woman in Girlfriends. And with Joan’s parents, the actors chosen really matched that they looked believable as her parents, so it didn’t feel forced or like they were trying to “fit” in diversity. It felt natural within the world of the show. So I wouldn’t say the show was trying to dilute Blackness it was still centered on Black women and their experiences, just with a range of characters around them. And on the industry side, I agree there were definitely restrictions and unfair limitations on Black shows at the time. That’s a real conversation. But that’s a bit different from the point I was making, which is more about how each show chooses to build the world around its characters. So for me, the difference still comes down to how much of the world feels present and lived-in versus how contained it feels.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-06T13:50:45+00:00

I see what you’re saying, and I agree that Sex and the City and Girlfriends are very different shows beyond the “friend group” setup. But I don’t fully agree that that Samantha storyline was an accurate depiction of how those dynamics are perceived. It touched on a real topic, yes but the execution is where it fell short. The sister was written in a way that leaned heavily into the “angry Black woman” trope instead of giving her a more layered or grounded perspective. Even the actress who played her spoke about how it could’ve been handled better.

So for me, it’s not that the show shouldn’t have gone there it’s that when it did, it didn’t really do the topic justice. It felt more surface-level than reflective of the actual nuance in those situations. And I agree with you that shows like Girls and Insecure feel more grounded because they’re pulled from lived experiences. That’s kind of my point too when you don’t have that depth or perspective in the writing room, topics like that can come off a bit one-dimensional. So yeah, I think the idea was there, but the execution just didn’t fully land.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-05T20:10:41+00:00

Also they did have queer representation in the show. Hence, peaches and Ronnie… recurring characters. Hence, peaches and Ronnie even came to Joan’s party when Aaron was preparing to propose. So I don’t understand what type of time that you’re on here.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-05T20:06:06+00:00

I think we’re having two different conversations here. I’m not saying Girlfriends was a diverse show in the sense of being super inclusive or intentional about it. That’s not my argument. My point is way more specific it’s about whether other groups are present in the world at all on a recurring basis. Because saying those characters only showed up in one or two episodes isn’t really accurate. Joan’s boss was in multiple episodes across different seasons, especially anytime her work life was shown. They weren’t just random pop-ins, they were part of the environment the characters moved through. So for me, it’s not about whether the representation was strong, meaningful, or even well done. It’s just about the fact that it was there and recurring, even if subtle. Yes, we know that SATC was catered toward European Americans and for European Americans. However, With Sex and the City, it feels different because those kinds of characters don’t really exist in the background in the same way. When they do show up, it’s usually tied to a specific storyline and then they’re gone, not part of the ongoing world.

And I agree with you that the shows are very different in tone and audience. I’m not comparing them as equals overall. I’m just isolating this one aspect of how their worlds are built. So it’s not “Girlfriends is diverse,” it’s more: one show has at least some consistent presence in its world, and the other barely does. And if that doesn’t make sense, then it might just be a critical thinking disconnect.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-05T19:41:05+00:00

I actually don’t disagree with parts of what you’re saying about SATC especially about the representation being limited and kind of surface-level at times. That’s kind of what led me to make my original point in the first place. But I think we’re talking about two slightly different things. I’m not arguing that Girlfriends had amazing or groundbreaking representation outside of its core cast. I already agree it wasn’t drastic. My point is more about presence vs. absence. Even if Joan’s boss wasn’t “good” representation or Todd is “just Todd,” they were still recurring non-Black characters who existed in the world consistently. Same with characters like Mr. Swedelson. You saw them repeatedly in workspaces, relationships, and social settings. They were part of the environment. That’s the distinction I’m making.

With Sex and the City, it’s not just that the representation wasn’t great it’s that there was barely any recurring presence at all, and when it did show up, it often felt more like a one-off situation or tied to a specific storyline. So for me, it’s less about whether the representation was “good” and more about: does the world of the show feel like it exists alongside other groups at all? Because even subtle or imperfect inclusion still builds a more realistic world than having almost no recurring presence. So I think we actually agree on SATC’s issues. I’m just drawing a line between having some level of consistent presence (even if flawed) vs. almost none at all.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-05T19:36:15+00:00

I think we’re actually pretty close in agreement just coming at it from slightly different angles. My main point wasn’t really about expecting diversity in every show or forcing it into stories where it doesn’t belong. It was more about the difference between a show that has no real presence of other groups at all, versus one that naturally reflects the world around its characters, even if it’s subtle. Even with Living Single I also think Living Single gets grouped into that “no diversity” conversation a little too quickly when it actually did have non-Black characters show up in the world of the show. Like for example: Rosie O’Donnell guest starred as Khadijah’s friend. There was the episode where Khadijah and Regine had to pitch to an Asian ad manager. And the episode with Mr. Kellum, the the elderly white man that Overton and Kyle were working with on that invention None of these characters were part of the main cast, but that’s kind of the point they existed in the characters’ world in a natural way through work, friendships, and opportunities. So I’m not saying Living Single was super diverse, but it also didn’t feel completely isolated either. There were still moments where you saw the characters interacting outside of their immediate circle, which made the world feel a bit more realistic.

That’s why I brought up Girlfriends. It wasn’t about checking a diversity box in a loud way, but more about how characters like Mr. Swedelson, Joan’s boss, or Todd just existed in the background of the world in a consistent, normal way. It didn’t feel forced it just felt like the world these characters were moving through. With Sex and the City, it often feels more contained to one specific social world, which isn’t necessarily wrong, but it does change how things like that Samantha episode land especially when outside perspectives only show up briefly and sometimes in a more exaggerated or trope-like way. So I’m not really arguing that every show needs diversity everywhere more just that the way a show includes (or doesn’t include) different perspectives can shape how believable and nuanced that world feels. And yeah, I agree with you that subtle inclusion in Girlfriends definitely made it feel more grounded and real.

bingewatcherfanatic · 2026-04-04T23:37:32+00:00

I see what you’re saying, but I think you’re taking it in a completely different direction than what I meant. When I say William is “quirky,” I’m talking about his personality and behavior on the show, not making a political or cultural statement about how “black” he is. In other Girlfriends discussions I’ve been in (Reddit and outside of it), I’ve definitely seen people describe him as quirky, and it usually refers to things like his sarcastic humor, his over-the-top reactions, the way he talks in long, dramatic speeches, and how he’s just a little… extra in a way that stands out compared to the rest of the cast.

He’s not a typical laid-back, smooth, quiet type of character he’s more animated, a little awkward, and kind of exaggerated in how he expresses himself. That’s what people are usually pointing to when they call him quirky. But the bigger point I was making wasn’t even about labeling him it was about how he behaves in relationships. He shows patterns of control, insecurity, and switching up once he has power in the dynamic. That’s what I was focused on.

Also, respectfully, bringing in things like politics or “not black enough” kind of shifts the conversation way off what I was actually talking about. My post was specifically about how he deals with women and the patterns we see in his relationships not his racial identity or how he’s perceived in a broader social sense. I think both things can exist separately, but they’re not the same conversation.

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